Talk:Bullshit Jobs

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I find it unsatisfying that the entire "Reception" section is based on ONE review from an Establishment newspaper. This certainly gives undue weight to that reviewer's opinions. Qu1j0t3 (talk) 15:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

Feel free to build it out. I probably won't get to it for a bit. czar 16:17, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

I removed from "Reception" the sentence "A review in Philosophy Now found that Bullshit Jobs combines the worst elements of the industrial and the pre-industrial periods." because it isn't Bullshit Jobs that combines the worst elements of the industrial and the pre-industrial periods, and I can't find any similar opinion in the cited article, so I am not sure what was intended.CTourneur (talk) 20:07, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

French sources

Dumping a bunch here while they're current, in case someone wants to review in the future.

• https://twitter.com/StudioHansLucas/status/1039792645227393024
• https://www.wedemain.fr/David-Graeber-Le-capitalisme-multiplie-les-metiers-a-la-con_a3568.html
• https://www.franceinter.fr/emissions/grand-bien-vous-fasse/grand-bien-vous-fasse-12-septembre-2018
• https://www.francetvinfo.fr/replay-radio/l-interview-eco/les-bullshit-jobs-rendent-les-gens-malheureux-pour-lanthropologue-david-graeber_2912267.html
• https://www.franceculture.fr/emissions/la-grande-table-2eme-partie/les-jobs-a-la-con-sont-partout-et-cest-a-ca-quon-les-reconnait
• http://www.nova.fr/37-40-des-gens-sentent-que-leur-metier-na-pas-besoin-dexister
• https://www.20minutes.fr/economie/2336703-20180914-bullshit-jobs-revenu-universel-gens-accepteront-plus-metier-aucun-sens-estime-david-graeber
• https://www.nouveau-magazine-litteraire.com/idees/il-y-a-des-jobs-ou-l-essentiel-du-boulot-est-de-pretendre-travailler

czar 22:11, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Further reading

Moving these sources to the talk page since apparently other editors find it displeasing.

• Kiesling, Lydia (August 16, 2018). "The Role of Women in the 'Bulls–t Workforce'". Slate Magazine. Retrieved September 29, 2018.
• Abrahamian, Atossa Araxia (August 29, 2018). "Money for Nothing". The New Republic. ISSN 0028-6583.
• Anthony, Andrew (May 27, 2018). "Bullshit Jobs: A Theory review – laboured rant about the world of work". The Observer. ISSN 0029-7712.
• B., N. (June 29, 2018). "Bullshit Jobs and the Yoke of Managerial Feudalism". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613. Archived from the original on June 30, 2018. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• Baker, Peter C. (April 23, 2018). "The Bureaucratized Pointlessness of Bullshit Jobs". Pacific Standard. Retrieved May 5, 2018.
• Bartleby (May 31, 2018). "Are you stuck in a 'bullshit job'?". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613.
• Bartleby (June 1, 2018). "Do we pay nurses less because we envy them? Unlikely". The Economist. ISSN 0013-0613.
• Been, Eric Allen (June 5, 2018). "Your Job Doesn't Matter". Vice. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
• Bloodworth, James (June 2018). "Terrible Work If You Can Get It". Literary Review. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
• Deahl, Rachel (October 14, 2015). "Frankfurt Book Fair 2015: No Big Book Yet, But Plenty of Big Sales". Publishers Weekly. Retrieved June 29, 2017.
• Dennin, James (May 18, 2018). "Do you have a bullshit job? Anthropologist David Graeber explains the rise of pointless work". Mic.com. Retrieved May 19, 2018.
• Doctorow, Cory (May 5, 2018). "An excerpt from 'Bullshit Jobs,' David Graeber's forthcoming book about the rise of useless work". Boing Boing. Retrieved May 5, 2018.
• Earle, Samuel (June 19, 2018). "Bullshit Jobs: Robots Are Replacing Human Workers, so Why Are Americans Still Working so Hard?". Newsweek. Retrieved July 4, 2018.
• Eaton, George (May 23, 2018). "US anarchist David Graeber's crusade against the rise of 'bullshit jobs'". New Statesman. Retrieved May 26, 2018.
• Foley, John (May 11, 2018). "Review: Get used to your bullsh*t job". Reuters Breakingviews.
• Gier, Tim de (May 31, 2018). "'Zowel links als rechts denkt: hoe meer banen hoe beter'". NRC. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
• Gleason, Paul W. (July 20, 2018). "Are you stuck in a pointless job? You are not alone". Washington Post. Retrieved August 11, 2018.
• Goldhill, Olivia (June 30, 2018). "One of history's greatest philosophers thought work makes you a worse person". Quartz. Retrieved June 30, 2018.
• Heritage, Stuart (May 1, 2018). "The bulls**t job phenomenon — are you in one?". The Times. ISSN 0140-0460.
• Illing, Sean (May 8, 2018). "Bullshit jobs: why they exist and why you might have one". Vox. Retrieved May 12, 2018.
• Kashtan, Miki (January 22, 2019). "Meaningful Work, Human Nature, and a Free Society". Tikkun. Retrieved January 26, 2019.
• Keane, Erin (May 19, 2018). "Here's the one book every millennial and Gen Z new graduate should read (and it's not Dr. Seuss)". Salon. Retrieved May 20, 2018.
• Koenig, Rebecca (June 4, 2018). "Suspect Your Job Is Pointless? You May Be Right". US News & World Report. Retrieved June 9, 2018.
• Martindale, Dayton (May 10, 2018). "Is Your Job Bullshit? David Graeber on Capitalism's Endless Busywork". In These Times. Retrieved May 12, 2018.
• McGregor, Jena (June 14, 2018). "If you think your job is pointless, it probably is". Washington Post. Retrieved July 4, 2018.
• Moran, Joe (July 25, 2018). "The Curse of Work". The Times Literary Supplement.
• Nunis, Vivienne (May 23, 2018). "Why most of our jobs are meaningless". Marketplace. Retrieved May 26, 2018.
• O' Malley, JP (June 6, 2018). "Review: David Graeber's Bullshit Jobs brilliantly unpacks the modern corporate economy". The Globe and Mail.
• Purves, Miranda (May 15, 2018). "You're Not Just Imagining It. Your Job Is Absolute BS". Bloomberg.com.
• Romeo, Nick (May 19, 2018). "Nearly Half of You Reading This Have Bullshit Jobs". The Daily Beast.
• Schneider, John (May 31, 2018). "Is Your Job a Bunch of B.S.?". Los Angeles Review of Books. Retrieved June 1, 2018.
• Semuels, Alana (June 27, 2018). "Are More and More People Working Meaningless Jobs?". The New York Times. ISSN 0362-4331.
• Upchurch, Tom (May 25, 2018). "Forget fears of automation, your job is probably bullshit anyway". Wired UK. Retrieved May 26, 2018.
• Washtell, Francesca (June 25, 2018). "Bullshit Jobs review: David Graeber touches a nerve in this cathartic study". Retrieved June 28, 2018.
• Washtell, Francesca (June 25, 2018). "David Graeber Q&A: What 'bullshit jobs' are and how we got here". Retrieved June 28, 2018.
• Weissman, Suzi (June 30, 2018). "The Rise of Bullshit Jobs". Jacobin. Retrieved June 30, 2018.

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Here are some sources that might be interesting to read but appear to cover ground already better covered by sources currently in the article:

• "BS Jobs: How Meaningless Work Wears Us Down". NPR. September 3, 2018. Retrieved September 15, 2018.

czar 00:11, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

• Smith, Jason E. (July 11, 2018). "Jobs, Bullshit, and the Bureaucratization of the World". The Brooklyn Rail. Retrieved April 6, 2020.

czar 01:42, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

German sources

• https://www.otz.de/startseite/detail/-/specific/Sozialwissenschaftler-und-Aktivist-David-Graeber-ueber-Bullshit-Jobs-318780079
• Kaufmann, Stephan (November 17, 2018). "Arbeit: „Jobs, die die Welt nicht braucht'". Frankfurter Rundschau (in German). Retrieved November 17, 2018.

czar 11:23, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Academic sounding attack

"A 2021 study empirically tested Graeber's claims, finding a low and declining proportion of employees who consider their jobs useless." The problem with a loaded articulation like this is the amount of time and effort it takes to refute it. There are a number of problems with this "study". However it may better to keep this line in the reception section since Graeber's work typically attracts inoperative detractions.

I expanded on what the study found and didn't find, which hopefully made the argument more nuanced that just a one-sentence attack. --LatakiaHill (talk) 21:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

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UK "Books of the Year"

I'm working on sourcing a claim in the Graeber biography coming from Penguin Books UK that Bullshit Jobs was "FT BUSINESS BOOK OF THE YEAR 2018, THE TIMES BOOK OF THE YEAR 2018, NEW STATESMAN BOOK OF THE YEAR 2018 and CITY AM BOOK OF THE YEAR 2018" and I'm saving my fact-checking here:

• Financial Times did not name the book among its critics' picks in 2018 nevertheless as the "book of the year" but Andrew Hill did name the title among his "Best books of 2017: Business" must-reads.
• The Times does not appear to name the book among 2018's best. It has many "books of the year 2018" articles (e.g., biography/memoir) by genre or category but I don't see where it names Graeber.
• New Statesman did not name the book among its editorial highlights for 2018 but did outsource it to many individuals[1], one of whom (John McDonnell) wrote, "Equally explosive, my anarchist friend, David Graeber, yet again has thrown a hand grenade into the political economy debate with his Bullshit Jobs (Allen Lane), a call to strike out for freedom from meaningless work." This isn't a "New Stateman book of the year" but a personal pick.
• City AM doesn't have any 2018 books of the year article live. I poked around in the Internet Archive for a bit but didn't find it there either.

For now, I'm rating these claims, to the book's chagrin, as "bullshit". Please share additional sources here if you find them. czar 15:40, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the book appears in this "books of the year" The Times list, but I can't find anything for the others. LatakiaHill (talk) 03:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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