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It is wrong to write that Bulgari is only Italian. Its Greek-Italian luxury fashion house. The founder is Greek and its name comes from the founder. Alikakii (talk) 22:44, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To check what? That Epirus was ceded to Greece in 1913 or the native village of the founder was populated by Aromanian-speakers? Look, the website of a trade company is not WP:RS.Jingiby (talk) 04:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just check all the other sources only for his mother say that maybe was Aromanian. Not his father! You have to check all the sources. Because you have the power to write and keep wikipedia pages as you want it doesnt mean that you can write whatever you want and leave it this way. Also even if it was Aromanian lets say how present it only like Italian luxury fashion house? Alikakii (talk) 05:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Look, lets stick to neutral content. For example here: Sotirios Voulgaris is described as a Vlach, i.e his father was Aromanian too: Sotirio Voulgaris (Vulgari, the trademark rendered in classical Latin script as BVLGARI), a Greek Vlach. The author Christopher C. King is a Grammy-winning producer and musicologist. He has been profiled in the New York Times Magazine and the Washington Post, and has written for the Paris Review and the Oxford American. In 2018, W.W. Norton published his book, Lament from Epirus: An Odyssey into Europe’s Old Surviving Folk Music. Jingiby (talk) 05:46, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okk lets leave it this way. Also you have to change that is only Italian luxury fashion house. Lets give you an example Balenciaga is based in Paris but the wikipedia says that is a Spanish company. So because is Italy based doesnt mean that is only Italian Alikakii (talk) 13:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The company is called Italian because it is Italian-based. It has nothing to do with the founders ethnic background, country of origin, or anything else. SpaceX was founded by Elon Musk but it's an "American company", not South-African, or British-Dutch whatever his ethnic background is. Piccco (talk) 12:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No lets give you another example Balenciaga is based in Paris but still it says that is a Spanish company. Just check it. So they have to change it too. Alikakii (talk) 13:21, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok if you want write that was then under the Ottoman Empire. Ottoman Empire doesnt change the origins of this person. It doesnt make him Ottoman. Alikakii (talk) 14:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okk. Leave it this way. But real company?? Remove the real company. Also you can add that is Greek-Aromanian and Italian luxury fashion house Alikakii (talk) 14:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why you didnt just write this that i told you? A little store was established by a Greek Aromanian in Epirus in a village called Paramythia which was then under the Ottoman Empire, and later the company was based by him in Italy. Its the same as the one you sent me i just changed some words. Alikakii (talk) 15:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You said you wanted to be neutral! You didnt change that is a Greek Aromanian and Italian luxury fashion house at least leave this that Sotirios Voulgaris is a Greek Aromanian silvermith! Dont change it again or i report it! Alikakii (talk) 18:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It cannot be called "Greek-Aromanian-Italian" company. This is nonsense. Also, it is very WP:UNDUE to start the sentense in the lead calling Sotirios "Greek Aromanian", most sources do not call him that; his Aromanian part also has nothing to do with the WP:NOTABILITY of the company. In general, discuss less aggressively and stop your disruptive behaviour in this article. Piccco (talk) 18:27, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes for that i didnt say anything! I left this as it is! I said to write at least that Sotirios Voulgaris is a Greek Aromanian silversmith! Just write something correct! Im right when i say that you write whatever you want! Alikakii (talk) 18:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well sorry for my behaviour. I just asked so many times for you to add at least that Sotirios Voulgaris is a Greek Aromanian silversmith. Before the other editor proposed that he could write that is a Greek Aromanian silversmith and you dont change it. Alikakii (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obscure ethnic backgrounds are simply not important enough (WP:UNDUE) for the WP:LEAD of a fashion house that is just two paragraphs short. The lead is supposed to summarize key points of the body. Also, majority of sources call him simply Greek, not Aromanian Greek, which regardless has nothing to do with the WP:NOTABILITY of the BVLGARI fashion house. It seems that your whole activity in wikipedia is focused on making (aggressive) edits in the lead and comments in the talkpage of this article. Initially, pushing the "Greek-Italian" fashion house, then "Greek-Aromanian" for Sotirios. It is understandable that you are not familiar with wikipedia standards, but please do not get frustrated when editors do not support your preferred version. Piccco (talk) 22:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Okk i left the Greek Italian fashion house. For the Greek Aromanian silversmith i just insisted because the other editor proposed to add it not me Alikakii (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Second comment Indeed the first shop of the family opened in the Ottoman Empire, but majority of sources do not really count this as the beginning of the company. The Bulgari company, as it is notable today, was founded in Rome, Italy; at least this is how most sources approach it. But whatever the case, I am not sure that this could really justify calling Bulgari a Greek-Italian company, per WP:NOTABILITY, among others reasons. Piccco (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh so its right to say that a company is Italian when the founder has nothing to do with Italy?? If we want to be right and accurate we have to add that is Greek Aromanian and Italian luxury fashion house! In this way we can be neutral! Alikakii (talk) 15:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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