Talk:Bruno Mattei

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Don Menard: I believe there is a mistake in Mr. mattei filmography: Land of Dead (2003) was directed by Georges Romero, and not Bruno Mattei! His updated biography is available on http://www.nanarland.com/acteurs/Main.php?id_acteur=brunomattei and is more accurate than the imdb one. I have just updated it, nevertheless, given the amazing amount of names used by Mr. Mattei, his filmography can be difficult to check and there could be other mistakes.

Reply: Correction.....The Mattei film listed here is called "LAND OF DEATH", not "LAND OF THE DEAD".

Note*** THe actual title of the Mattei film is "IN THE LAND OF THE CANNIBALS". "LAND OF DEATH" was a variant title used in some countries. The Romero film was called "LAND OF THE DEAD"". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.168.166 (talk) 23:22, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

This page has been vandalized just out of spite

A wiki member who has been spitefully deleting all of my contributions to wikipedia for several years now has deleted the Bruno Mattei filmography that was on Mattei's wikipage for years. The filmography was 100% accurate, but he deleted it simply because I was involved in posting it. The page has actually been made less informative as a result. Why does wikipedia allow such spiteful vandalism? It's nothing more than bullying, and this type of spitefulness dissuades people from contributing to wikipedia. Is there anywhere I can turn for help in restoring the filmography? Please let me know. --Frank — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

A few things @68.129.15.71:, "accuracy" is not what is strived for, but Wikipedia:Verifiability, which in the previous one, was not found. If you'd like to restore the filmography, (which I encourage you to do), I'd suggest in help finding reliable sources to back it up. Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:41, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

There are very few reference works on Bruno Mattei, other than either imdb (which for some reason is not considered a reliable source by wikipedia even though everyone in the world uses it daily) or personal knowledge attained through actually collecting Mattei's movies for years (which apparently counts for nothing as well.) Why not just leave the filmography up until sources are found that contradict it? It's better than nothing. Anyone who wants to see the information is being deprived now just out of spitefulness. It was on the page for years, why not just leave it there for the people who might not want to wait ten years for sources to turn up? Life is short. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 (talk) 22:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

Most serious film study would not use IMDb as a source for the same reasons we do. See WP:RS/IMDb. I promise you, I'm not being spiteful, i'm trying to follow the rules of WP:VERIFY, which states "In Wikipedia, verifiability means that anyone using the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Wikipedia does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." So I do not doubt you have a good knowledge of Mattei or any of his work, but you will still need to dig up actual sources. I would not suggest re-instating the previous list for a few reasons. 1) It was a bit of a mess with endless alternative titles. 2) It was unsourced. 3) Mattei has worked under countless names and identities, so we really need to back up what he did with sources. Per WP:BURDEN, "All content must be verifiable. The burden of demonstrating verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." In general, I do not think it is too bad to use IMDb as a kicking point, but try to confirm this information with reliable sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Stub

This article has been classified as a stub. It needs more sourcing especially in English and expansion as to his films. Capitalistroadster 05:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Filmography

Should we create a separate section for the Italian titles for Mattei's films? From what I know, he has not made any films outside Italy, so we can include an extra column for the Italian title. Thoughts? Andrzejbanas (talk) 21:40, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

Since you wanted fewer titles, I was trying to include only the Italian titles that were grossly different from the international release titles. I didn't bother if it was just the same title translated in Italian. Is there room for another column? Why not just put the Italian titles under "Notes" or just double them up with the English title in the first column? I think of more importance are the films that were actually released in English speaking countries under 2 different English titles, such as Blade Violent and Women's Camp 119, etc. Those films are actually being sold on dvd and on ebay under 2 different English titles right now, such as Emanuelle Escapes from Hell, Libidomania, The Presence, Womens Camp 119, Blade Violent, Caged Women, Caligula's Perversions, Land of Death, The Real Cannibal Holocaust, Eyes Without a Face, etc.....these are all actual titles of Mattei films currently available on the internet, and they won't be on the wikipage if you don't let me put at least the few major variant titles on it. People actually currently refer to Mattei films with these alternate titles.I think those are more relevant than the Italian titles, unless the Italian title was very different from the English title.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:24, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Hmm. If we are going by DVDs from e-bay I'm not even sure though as these films often come from sources that may or may not be official. It's a tricky area. I think we can just discuss them and come up with solutions. As for the Eyes without a face title for example, I don't think it needs to be noted in the list as every major source I've found (both Curti's and Howarth's book) refer to it as Madness. I know the Louis Paul's book refers to all films by their Italian title, but that seems to be a choice for every film in the book, which works in that context but not in the "better known" title. It becomes harder when you get to the less popular titles of Mattei though. So I'd let's take it on one by one. Which should we discuss first? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:29, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

If you list only the Italian titles, the page won't be of use to any English speaking fans trying to collect Mattei's films. Re: Madness, that film is only called Madness in English countries, it was called Gli occhi dentro in Italy (a totally different title), which translates awkwardly as "The Eyes Inside" or "The Eyes Beneath". So I think that would be a good case for listing both titles, because they are so different. But I believe the film is being marketed somewhere in the world as "Eyes Without A Face" as well. If so, it's more likely that a fan searching for that film would come across the 2 different English titles on ebay before he'd encounter the Italian one.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:39, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Its a matter of finding out what is a common Italian title and films that do not have common English titles then. I think the ones you had were fine. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Revisit

Per discussion on the talk page of Mattei's Madness film, I'm having doubts if that new Mattei book states the release dates, or just has a copyright date next to the films. Would you be able to state specifically what it says? if it is just going saying something like "Virus (1980)", that does not really state what the source says per WP:STICKTOSOURCE. Andrzejbanas (talk) 03:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC) It mostly lists the date in parentheses next to each title, but he reviews the films in order of their release throughout the book.68.129.15.71 (talk) 19:10, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

That seems to be mixing and matching information. Does the book state information about these releases? or does it just go through his films? You are making it sound like there is no real release information in the book currently. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:24, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Filmography accuracy

Currently, we have tried to at least find sources that state when the film was released by a specific year. However, the recent addition of the Lupi and Gordiano book as well as the Louis Paul book seem to state a year in brackets but are not really specifically stating thats the year of release. This is not uncommon, as copyright dates can be funny and that is the usual go to, but Mattei's career is weird without much reasearch in when things were released. I've added the banner in the meantime. Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:36, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Ok, the filmography is becoming junky again as @68.129.15.71: has not been able to provide proof that the year of release that is listed in the book he has the original release year. Also, the continued addition of countless alternative titles is getting ridiculous. Use the most common title in the list. Remember! The point of the filmography is to list what films he has worked on and what he did and when the film was released. Not how many alternative titles you can find from obscure VHS releases to whatever. Use the most common title. If the user does not come forward to discuss the addition of the Mattei book's year of release, as he has not really confirmed that they are release dates with any quotes, context or anything, we shouldn't be applying those as sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 23:52, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

The so-called "countless alternative titles" I've been trying to include are mostly the original Italian titles, which you said on an earlier talk page you were thinking of adding in a special column!! I merely put them in the "Notes" column, until you decided if you wanted a separate column for them. You're the one who said adding the Italian titles was a good idea! The other few alternate titles happen to be the title under which the films are sold on DVD. You don't consider that important? I don't even see why we're doing the filmography on Mattei if you're not going to include the original Italian titles and the titles under which the films are marketed to collectors??? You act like I'm listing Belgian release titles or something equally irrelevant. Also, if you see something you don't like, be my guest in deleting it. But why do you have to erase everything I worked on the whole day in one fell swoop? Can't you just change the few items you don't agree with? That's why your actions appear so spiteful. I must have done this page three times already and you keep erasing everything. Is everything I add to the page wrong?68.129.15.71 (talk) 22:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Also, why delete references to Mattei's co-directing "Monster Shark" (1984) and "Porno Holocaust" (1981), and his editing D'Amato's "Eva Nera" and the 1968 Eurospy film "Goldface"?? Mattei's participation on these films is common knowledge to Mattei fans. We can just refer to the credits on the dvd's!! Also, "Zombie Creeping Flesh" is how "Hell of the Living Dead" is known in England, that's a major, major alternate title. Many British reference books ONLY refer to it as "Zombie Creeping Flesh". Yet you deleted that from the list. Why?68.129.15.71 (talk) 23:06, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

First of all, they weren't you kept adding UK titles, German titles, so don't claim I'm doing stuff I did not. I was thinking it was a good idea to stop the countless alternative titles. I've removed items you have worked on because either a) they weren't sourced. b) the sources were not reliable. or c) you sourced another wiki page. All of which is not allowed. And all these things being "common knowledge" to mattei fans, is not what the wikipedia article is about. You need a source. You have to back up your claims, which you have not been doing. You have yet to prove that the dates in the book you added are the earliest release dates and you change items (i.e: the Madness year) without even offering a source. That is totally counter intuitive. I'll suggest again, find sources and WP:STICKTOSOURCE, i.e: do not interpret something that is not actually be said. Andrzejbanas (talk) 00:22, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Dangerous Attraction release year

I'm not going to argue what when Dangerous Attraction was made, but if we could get a source of when the film was released from the book that would be helpful @68.129.15.71:. In other words, does it say when the film was released? If so, could you write the text and page number where it states this here? Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Lupi source

After asking the editor constantly if they can confirm whether or not the dates in the Lupi book on Mattei correspond to a release date and not getting an answer, I've decided to Be bold and remove the dates. Until we get specific years of when these films premiered, I know it is not right to suggest that the films came out at specific times. If anyone can find years when these films were first released, please add them. Until then, do not.Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:56, 29 August 2017 (UTC)

As there has been no discussion about it, i've removed the template on the page. If the dates can be found, please add them. Andrzejbanas (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

I added the source I spoke to you about, regarding the "back-to-back" filming of the 2 WIP films. It wasn't in the Spaghetti Nightmares book, I found the info in the actual Liner Notes to the dvd release of the film. I just wanted to show you I didn't make up the "back-to-back" thing, it is also mentioned by Mattei himself in an interview on the same dvd. Mattei actually says it himself during the interview. Again I'm sorry I forgot to add that reference earlier, but I'm still learning about reference sources, and which ones are reliable. I'm trying to follow the rules. I see what you mean about original research, you're right that it must be backed up by a reliable source.02:16, 11 June 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.129.15.71 (talk)

If you want to practice referencing sources. I'd suggest creating an account. That way you have access to a sandbox where you can test edit and learn how to use sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

It's irrelevant that Mattei edited 2 Franco films? and yet you have on the page the following: "Some of the earliest films Mattei worked on included Lulu (1953) and Tua per la vita.[3] Early film work started in 1956 on Giovanni dalle Bande Nere". I have never even heard of those films. Why are they relevant if Franco's films are not? whatever... I was just trying to make Bruno's editing years seem a bit more interesting, but the info is on the filmography anyway, I suppose.68.129.15.71 (talk) 23:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

To the average reader, neither film is important. This shows where his career started which would be important for any filmmaker. You have to find it notable, and not pick and choose what is being said. Personally I agree with you, it is interesting, but not really anything but trivial. Andrzejbanas (talk) 01:48, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

It's interesting because it shows his progression from editing films he probably wasn't interested in, to editing horror and WIP films that would years later become cult favorites, which in turn led to him actually directing such genre films himself. It shows a progression toward the career he chose later on. The way the article is now.....it just says he was editing meaningless films like "Tua per la vita" and then all of a sudden he got into directing genre movies, which cuts out the progression his career followed.68.129.15.71 (talk) 17:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

"he probably wasn't interested in". That's a lot of original research. Which we don't include on wikipedia. Andrzejbanas (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Question about Lenzi filmography

I notice you left the titles in their correct order on the Bruno Mattei page and just wrote n/a on the ones that don't have a firm release date. Can't we do the same thing with the Umberto Lenzi filmography? If you let me, I can put them in the right order and I will leave the n/a next to each one like you have it. I saved the list I used to have on the page, so I know the order of production.68.129.15.71 (talk) 18:18, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

They honestly shouldn't be in any order as we have nothing to really suggest this. Find sources for the release dates. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:55, 21 October 2018 (UTC)

Coronavirus the movie brought me here

Would Mattei be chuckling 🤭 that his movie (which is a rip off?) Hell of the Living Dead has actual footage used 2020 for the new film? Lol. Julietjones74 (talk) 18:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)