Talk:Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin

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These articles is about the brokpa ,Drokpa ,shin tribe . Whereas the brokpa page is only for Drokpa(Brokpa)or minaro ethinic group- dha hanu valley as they speak Brokskat langauge

These page is a Dardic tribes of former Ladakh Tribes where only unprivilege (Schedule Tribes)of these Dardic tribe are included under a schedule tribe

@Kautilya3: Have a look at these page , these page is about a all Dardic Tribes of former jammu and kashmir where only unprivilege and tribal community which was included under a Schedule Tribes where the correct 40,000s population is added . Now you can put a correct population of Minaro sorrounding around the dha village which is more than 5,000. And also add there native name " Minaro" which they call themselves ,(the reference are given in these page of references section). You change that page name to brokpa to minaro. And also the brokpa,shin ,dard tribe of Dras in Kargil and baramulla are already added to Shina people because they considered themselves one ethnic group speaking a Astori dilect of shina langauge .

The Brokskat or minaro langauge is unintelligible to Shina langauge as cited by a articles , and Minaro ethnicity is different from shina people that's the reason it is considered a Different langauge with different ethnic group . The Dardic languages DEFINATION ITSELF says that the langauge are not necessarily have a common ethnic root ,they northwestern himalyan langauge were included in Dardic langauge because of having a archaic word of Indo iranian langauge ,. Minaro123 (talk) 12:38, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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DISCUSSION

@Kautilya3: @CX Zoom: @TrangaBellam: @Gotitbro: There is a reference of book ^[1] , for the every sentence that i am quoting , see the reference below ,

1:Brokpa : brokpa are Dards[ https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards], who lives in,Dah, Ladakh hanoo, Garkon,[ darchik which is inhabited by a Buddhist Dards of 1920 people ( cencus of 1991) .These Buddhist Dards are called [[Brokpa] ] in leh district and Dogpas and Drukpa in kargil district , They speaks Brokskat of Dardic languages.

2: Drokpas: Drokpas are Dards [ https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards] muslim who inhibited the cold bleak Dras valley . They are called "shin" on their basic of langauge Shina. [1] These book is a very helpful to prove that In a schedule tribe of Brokpa,Drokpa,dard or shin is a multiple ethinic group who speaks a Dardic languages, Brokskat and shina langauge spoken by Buddhist [[Dards] and muslim [ Dards] respectively . They are called Dards [2] because they speaks a Dardic languages. Dards[ https://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dards] is not a ethnic term ,rather it is a term used to denote all the Dardic languages speaker . (See for reference as it is found on internet). Minaro123 (talk) 04:40, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2 point : reference says that "Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is a group of tribes that speak the Dardic languages. It is said that the Dardic tribes are the bearers of the proto-Rigvedic language and culture; they seem to retain many of the symbols and rituals of that ancient past." The schedule tribe of India quotes cencus says " Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin is a group of tribes speaking Dardic languages " It says a group of "Tribes" . The "Tribes" is a plural form of Tribe which means that There are more than one Tribe . And second half of the sentence quote " speaking Dardic language langauge , it means that common things about these Tribes is that they speaks Dardic languages . Dardic languages is not a single langauge .^[2]

Proposal: 1:Add the correct population number in Brokpa or minaro page.which is 1920 according to the cencus 1991 ( reference is above) which is a Buddhist Dards And second thing , their religion is [Buddhism]] according to the sources . 2:Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard and Shin(Dardic Tribes ) is a unprivilege Dards [3] who speaks Dardic languages, these Tribes were included under Schedule Tribes. Only the unprivilege and Tribes are included into the Schedule Tribes of India. Though there were many other Dards like kashmiri in jammu and kashmir but they were not included into the Schedule Tribes because they are not a Tribe ,they are more privileged community people. Don't don't mistaken for , Brokpa, Drokpa, Dard, and Shin(Dardic Tribes) as a single ethinicity , considering these unprivilege Dardic Tribes as a single ethnicity would be wrong and a big mistake statement to make.

References

Population and religion of Minaro of Dardic tribe

@Kautilya3: The page number 137 to 140 ,of the reference book . ^[1]

And brokpa means Buddhist Dards or Minaro .( In most book),the endomym is minaro .

THE REFERENCE SAYS "(. all other Dard in schedule tribe " are muslim who lives in Dras and north of Kashmir ). THE BROKPA IS THE ONLY BUDDHIST DARDS .

Dards is not a ethinic term ,Dard is a term used for the people who speaks Dardic langauge ( see reference).

2: The cencus of india,2011 says , there are 3144 Buddhist in Brokpa,Drokpa ,Dard or shin schedule tribe .Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). These 3144 Buddhist people must belong to the Brokpa orMinaro, since the above referenced book says all the other Dards in Drass valley and north of Kashmir in Baramulla are all muslim) . So these 3144 must be a Minaro people if we read theses two sources side by side . Minaro123 (talk) 07:22, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=DDdjLiITmUQC&pg=PA138&dq=brokpa+of+baltistan&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAiILMit_7AhUHR2wGHXlrCUIQ6wF6BAgDEAU#v=onepage&q=brokpa%20of%20baltistan&f=false

Keep these articles

It is a one of the schedule tribe articles and keep it Minaro123 (talk) 17:01, 10 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=DDdjLiITmUQC&pg=PA138&dq=brokpa+of+baltistan&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAiILMit_7AhUHR2wGHXlrCUIQ6wF6BAgDEAU#v=onepage&q=brokpa%20of%20baltistan&f=false

[2] ttps://blog.cpsindia.org/2016/12/religion-data-of-census-2011-xxxiii-jk.html

[3] ttps://books.google.co.in/books?id=DDdjLiITmUQC&pg=PA138&dq=brokpa+of+baltistan&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjAiILMit_7AhUHR2wGHXlrCUIQ6wF6BAgDEAU#v=onepage&q=brokpa%20of%20baltistan&f=false

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