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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cielquiparle (talk) 20:22, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Brightwell Manor from the village churchyard in 2008
Brightwell Manor from the village churchyard in 2008

Created by Edwardx (talk), KJP1 (talk), and Philafrenzy (talk). Nominated by Edwardx (talk) at 23:20, 24 February 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Brightwell Manor; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Edwardx: Nominated a little late but I'm fine with that – long enough, although just barely, neutral and sourced. Doesn't appear to be a copyvio and the pic is nice and meets the criteria. QPQ done. The only issue is that the hook needs to be sourced in the article (the sentence His wife wrote in her diary "It is a most attractive house but rather small." and that she had written to Paul Edward Paget and his partner John Seely (later John Seely, 2nd Baron Mottistone) about adding to it needs a reference) – and could you show me which source says that? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC) BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:54, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thank you, BeanieFan11. If you search Google Books for "Brightwell Manor most attractive house but rather small" it will come up. It is on p236 of Adam Fox's 1960 book about Inge. But, I'm struggling to add the ref correctly to the article itself, such that you can click through to it from there. Edwardx (talk) 00:03, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see now. Also, I've added the ref for that sentence, as the DYK rules require, so now it appears to be good to go! BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:06, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't seem like google books gives many people access to that book, only through the snipping view. So I don't think there's a way you could add it allowing people to read it. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
BeanieFan11, it only gives me a snipping view too, but it is enough to show the salient fact in support of the hook. Edwardx (talk) 00:16, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I gave the hook a tweak. Philafrenzy (talk) 17:37, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The original hook is making a small joke that only works in the top spot, but really the content of the hook isn't weighty enough to support that position. We should also attribute the words properly to the author, Mary Inge, or be accused of sexism. What about:
ALT1 ... that Brightwell Manor (pictured) was the home of a eugenicist clergyman who did not believe in democracy? Article would need expanding in this respect.
ALT2 ... that Boris Johnson has agreed to buy Brightwell Manor (pictured) which was once in the ownership of a eugenicist clergyman who did not believe in democracy? Philafrenzy (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Needs reviewer for new ALT hooks. (Unless BeanieFan11 doesn't mind having another look?) Cielquiparle (talk) 12:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Philafrenzy and Edwardx: I'm fine with those hooks but does the article need expanding for them like Phila mentioned? Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:56, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a sentence and reference to confirm that Inge was a eugenicist and did not believe in democracy - well attested elsewhere too. As for women's rights, it seems that was just a general opposition to extending democratic rights further so I deleted that as not explicitly supported in the source. Philafrenzy (talk) 21:11, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Guess it's better now. Onegreatjoke (talk) 16:49, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Philafrenzy, Edwardx, and Onegreatjoke: Striking ALT2, which is not ok. Source cited is The Guardian which says, Boris Johnson is understood to have agreed to buy a £4m nine-bedroom, Grade II-listed home in Oxfordshire...The Guardian has been told they have now made an offer that has been accepted...A spokesperson for Johnson said: "We never comment on matters such as living arrangements." Even if it has been published by The Guardian, it is still a "word of mouth" claim about a living person and a real estate transaction that could technically still be in progress (it doesn't say that the sale has closed). As such, it violates some combination of WP:GOSSIP and WP:RUMOUR / WP:CRYSTALBALL, and is WP:TOOSOON to cite on the main page. If you don't like ALT1, we can strike that one as well. So far, no one is jumping up and down about ALT0, so maybe we just need a new hook. I suspect there is something more of substance that could be added to the article, which might yield an interesting hook. Cielquiparle (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well just go with Alt1 then. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:04, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How "Tudor"

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-ie before 1603? None of the online refs seem to say that. Johnbod (talk) 04:51, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed, I have adjusted. It isn't a manor house either, at least until someone provides a source saying that the lordship of the manor is associated with it (which it might be). Philafrenzy (talk) 16:21, 3 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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