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Brahminsm VS Historicc vedic religion

Historic vedic religion is different from Brahminism. Historic vedic religion is the fore runner of modern Hinduism. But Brahminism is a practise within the Hindu religion. So both are different topic.A seperate article on Brahminism should be created.We cant restrict the entire Hindu religion only to Brahmin caste. Hinduism existed before the Aryan invasion itself. But after Aryan Invasion the Character of Hinduism changed a lot due to the inter mixing of Aryans and Dravidians.So Brahminism or Aryanism is a different concept from Vedic religion/Hinduism. Brahminism is just a practise inside Hinduism.Brahminism is a set of rituals or practises within Hinduism.Brahminism means influence of Brahmins in Hindu religion.If you need any more clarifications or still you want to include redirect please share your ideas in Brahminsm talk page.--DanielZinker (talk) 16:22, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Hinduism/ Vedic religion is a religion. But Brahminsm is a practise within religion. We cant tell that Hinduism is a collection of all the Brahminic practises. Hinduism is a vast religion. Its practises differes from region to region. For example in olden days human sacrifice is offered to Goddess Durga, But In Brahminsm killing is prohibted. Brahminsm rejects non-vegetarianism but in Hinduism Goats and hens were sacrificed to minor deities. So Brahminsm and Hinduism are entirely different. Hinduism is a religion but Brahminsm is a set of rituals and rules framed by Brahmins.--IrumudiChozhan (talk) 17:06, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. Brahminsm deals with influence of Brahmin people in Hinduism. Vedic religion is the pre-matured form of Hinduism. In Hinduism Brahmins are playing a dominating and powerful role in religious rituals and practices. Hence we need seperate page for Brahminsm since we cant argue that the whole Hinduism is full of social evils.--JohnPhilipsDM (talk) 17:48, 30 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Content on Wikipedia is not up to the editors to construct in a free-wheeling manner. There are no citations provided for any claims in this article. It is pure WP:OR. This kind of thing has no place on Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 15:13, 1 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Objection for the deletion or modification or merging of the article with some other topic

Brahminsm is a seperate topic related to the influence of Brahmins in Hindu religion. There are so many references are available throughout India.Aryans (Brahmins) are seperate race migrated to India around 1500 BCE through Khyber and Bholan pass.They invaded India and they influenced the religion of native people and created castes and divisions through religious texts.Even they deviced penal codes in which different punishments are available for the same crime based on caste.The mahabharatha incident ekalaiva and karna are true and can be verified.Even many reformists in India tried to reform Hinduism and tried to reduce the influence of Aryans on Hinduism. I dont have much experience in editing wikipedia article.So I am not able to provide citations. But I am having all the source material or reference material. We can discuss all of them in this talk page. If we simply delete this article in future we are stopping a chance to know about the topic. So view points of everyone is welcomed and we all can disscuss about this topic and we decide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IrumudiChozhan (talk • contribs) 17:41, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Derogatory information

The information mentioned in this article is partially true but not all. In ancient India the social system is different and comparing that to the current social system of India is irrelevent. Since this article involves some particular group of people (Brahmins) Care needs to be taken while giving info. Derogatory info should be avoided.--SanManuDharma (talk) 05:37, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citations for all the information

The article received heavy criticsm due to lack of citations. So I had added proper citations to each and every information writtien in this article. So I think now the article is satisfying minimum requirement of Wikipedia and so I think there is no need in deleting the article. The neutrality of the article is not disputed since all the facts mentioned in the article can be verified through the citations.Only the facts are mentioned and it is not a particular person's viewpoint.But i think some other view points are missed in the article. That should be added.But deleting of the article is not necessary.--ChatruSamhara (talk) 10:00, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

My comments:

The citations are poor in form. Full citations are needed: title, where published, when etc.
More to the point, newspaper reports are only good for the news that they describe, not for general comments. For example, you can't justify a general statement like "women were not allowed into temples" with a news report for denial of entry to a particular temple at a particular time. The source also doesn't make any connection with "Brahminism". So, most citations you have added are inadequate for the claims being made.
Being "neutral" means WP:NPOV. All the views contained on all the reliable sources on the topic should be represented. This is not satisfied by merely adding citations. You should not remove the neutrality template until there is consensus among the editors here that the article satisfies neutrality. - Kautilya3 (talk) 11:10, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

Apart from the fact that this article (Brahminsm)is misspelled, the term "Brahminism" is also being used incorrect. What's meant here is (a criticism of) the domination of Brahmins in Indian society; this should be added to Brahmin. The first link in the sources-section says:

"By Brahminism is meant the complex religion and social system which grew out of the polytheistic nature-worship of the ancient Aryan conquerors of northern India, and came, with the spread of their dominion, to be extended over the whole country, maintaining itself, not without profound modifications, down to the present day. In its intricate modern phases it is generally known as Hinduism."

So, a redirect to Brahminism, and an article there. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:44, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Besides, there's already an article on Anti-Brahminism. The -ism in that name refers to the anti, of course, not to the Brahmins; deducing from this title that "Brahminism" refers to the influence of Brahmins is incorrect, therefore. Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 11:57, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Things are getting more and more confusing. "Brahminism" and "Brahmanism" are two spellings of the same word, the same concept. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 14:34, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, remove the last bit and redirect to Anti-Brahmanism? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:19, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eh, that was a typo! Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But, I'm not so sure that it is exactly the same. But who's going to imvestigate the details?... Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 16:24, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well, "Brahminism" is a term used by people that want to rail against the excesses of Hinduism. There are now people that believe that Hindutva is a variant of Brahminism. So, maybe there is material for an article. But not for two articles. I would say, let us keep this article around for a while and see if something develops. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:50, 7 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This page appears to be pure political propaganda. It does not cite any significant sources, simply because there aren't any. The terms appears to stand for an adjective 'brahminical' which roughly correlates to 'elitist', but the word root traces itself to the Vedic-Brahmanic religion of the first and second millennium B.C. in northern India. Brahmanical ritual or liturgy is the one that is found in the Vedic texts as well as the various Grihyasutras and Srautasutras, but it existed side-by-side with many other traditions which were more or less eclipsed, either by royal patronage or culture assimilation. The term 'Brahminism' is only being used recently in certain political circles to denote, as pointed out above, an association with Hindutva. There is no place for something like this in an encyclopedia. 139.5.231.210 (talk) 11:18, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]