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A fact from Bofedales appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 December 2023 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the green colour of bofedales (examples pictured) stands out in the yellow surrounding landscape?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2023/December. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Bofedales.

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The result was: promoted by Bruxton talk 18:53, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Bofedales in the foreground

~~... that the green colour of bofedales stands out in the dry surrounding landscape?~~ Source: Other features are the presence of organic soil or peat and a year-round green appearance which contrasts with the yellow of the drier land that surrounds them
ALT1: ... that the green colour of bofedales stands out in the yellow surrounding landscape? Source: Other features are the presence of organic soil or peat and a year-round green appearance which contrasts with the yellow of the drier land that surrounds them
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Shilling (New Zealand coin)

Created by Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk). Self-nominated at 15:55, 13 November 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Bofedales; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Five times expanded in 7 days before nom and long enough, interesting hook that's cited inline to reliable source, images all properly licensed, no copyvio found in spotcheck and article well-sourced. QPQ needed. Just one issue (other than QPQ): the article itself does not seem to mention that the surrounding area is dry-- it simply states that it's yellow. Also not necessary for DYK hook promotion, but I would like to ask why you decided to add a separate gallery section when there seems to be enough room now for individual images alongside the text? ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 09:32, 27 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Freedom4U:Added QPQ, added a word but also proposed an ALT since a colour-based hook might be more interesting. Would the Quepiaco image work as a hook image? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 09:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Jo-Jo Eumerus: New hook looks good and the image definitely works. Approving ALT1 now that the QPQ has been done. ~ F4U (talk • they/it) 13:13, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Citation needed tag

@Sietecolores: Don't see what the issue is with They are usually considered to occur above 3,800 metres (12,500 ft) elevation being sourced to Cerrate (1979) reports this type of wetland from 3100 m a.s.l., although most authors consider that it occurs only above 3800 m a.s.l. (Rivas-Martínez & Tovar 1982, Flórez Martínez 1992, Maldonado Fonkén 2010)? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:52, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is potentially contentious information that needs to be stated clearly. As far as I am concerned, since bofedales occur over large latitude range to posit 3,800 m asl as a single date can be misleading. Hence strict referencing is warranted. Sietecolores (talk) 08:18, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That wouldn't be a {{fact}} but rather a {{disputed}} tag but the source does summarize numerous sources to make the claim. That's pretty good evidence. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:57, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

My previous comment was not mean to remove the information regards bofedales altitude range, but rather to clarify that the cited sourced is unlikely to be "extrapolable" for all bofedales. I still see this interesting information on altitudes could be put back with some context on its scope. After all bofedales are a high altittude wetlands, they are as far as I am concerned not ocurring at sea level. Sietecolores (talk) 16:50, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merged this into the above section; yes, I know I am the other party in the conversation. Perhaps something like "Most sources only consider wetlands above ,3800 masl bofedales"? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 19:11, 12 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I think this statement reflects better the sources: "in their northern area of distribution most sources only 3800 masl the lowest limit where bofedales occurr while in their southern distribution 2800 masl has been cited as their lowermost range". (Maldonado Fonkén 2014; Squeo et al., 2006) Sietecolores (talk) 12:27, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meh, OK. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:39, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salinity?

This is a fascinating article, and makes me wonder. Are these features analogous to the oases of lowland deserts? Do they have outlets, or are they found in endorheic basins, as so many desert watercourses are? If endorheic, what sort of salinity does the water eventually attain? A discussion of these issues would improve this article. Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bofedales are oases, yes, but they are generally on flowing water - salars form in the endorheic basins. I don't think there is much dedicated discussion of these topics, but you can check at this list Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]