Talk:Bob Shane

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An Initial Correction

Clearly, this is simply the beginning of the construction of an entry on Shane. Even at that, there is one really major error that I'm going to edit immediately. The Shane, Gambill, Grove iteration was the first post-1967 configuration to be represented by Shane's newly-purchased (outright and from partners Nick Reynolds and first Kingston Trio manager Frank Werber) rights to the name "The Kingston Trio," but not until 1976. TheNew Kingston Trio consisted first of Shane, Pat Horine, and Jim Connor, who later attained fame as a member of John Denver's back up band and the composer of Denver favorite "Grandma's Feather Bed," which was first performed by the NKT. This group lasted from 1969-1973. The second configuration of the New Kingston trio was Shane, Bill Zorn, and Roger Gambill, the latter teaming with Shane and George Grove to form the Kingston Trio under Shane's sole ownership. Sensei48 05:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48[reply]

Next Steps

OK, so I went in and using the frame of the original stub have, shall we say, augmented it.

It still needs a complete discography and videography (easy to do, but it'll be a long list), a picture or two that comport with Wiki policy, and footnotes.

Now, as extensive as this article is, virtually none of it is OR. I could, in fact, footnote/substantiate from sources nearly every single sentence. But I'm not sure, even as a frequent user of Wikipedia, where it NEEDS notes to keep it in line with Wiki policy. Help from knowledgeable people will be appreciated.

When the appendices and notes are complete, I will remove (or seek to have removed) the stub designation. Sensei48 22:11, 13 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48[reply]

Removal of Stub Status

With the completion of a discography and videography as well as more external links, this article is no longer a stub and if I can figure out how I will remove that status. A number of substantiating sources at several points have been added as well. Sensei48 05:38, 14 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48[reply]

I see as of 15 July that stub status has been removed. Thanks for the read and comment.

Pictures are coming. I can make this considerably more extensive/definitive than it is already if I think it should be an A class article, but I believe first I need to augment the articles on Nick Reynolds, Dave Guard, and The Kingston Trio possibly John Stewart as well.

Sensei48 10:12, 15 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48[reply]

Not Folk

I'm changing the initial description in the lead from "folk singer" to "singer and guitarist." Shane and the other members of the KT always rejected the label and strove mightily to discourage its use - ultimately to no avail because both Capitol Records and their fans had already saddled them with it. The KT and Shane were aware from the beginning that what they were doing and wanted to do was not "folk" in the way the term was used at the time to mean "traditional." (Parenthetically, by the standards of what gets called "folk" today, they would be considered so.) They preferred the term "folk-based" or "folk-oriented," as a matter of fact. 'We're not folksingers in the accepted sense of the word," proclaimed Dave Guard in the liner notes to the first album in 1958. Shane himself says in his autobiographical notes on the current KT website - "I'm not a folksinger - I'm a folks' singer." Sensei48 05:37, 20 July 2007 (UTC)Sensei48[reply]

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Vibrato

"His powerful baritone with a natural vibrato"... Surely some mishtake! Bob Shane's voice had almost no vibrato -- if it had, it would be totally inappropriate to folk music. Pavarotti, there's vibrato... Paul Magnussen (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Paul M. - Compared to LP, of course not! But Shane does have it nonetheless, though he uses it less frequently, on the group's many pop ballads and at the end of his verse lines. May I suggest a trip over to YouTube - look up the KT performances of "They Call The Wind Maria" and "The First Time Ever I Saw Your Face." There are many more examples - but of course if you feel that the examples don't justify the statement, there is of course the rv/edit function! regards, Sensei48 (talk) 02:37, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Changes 6/30/08

Some well-intended but accidentally injurious edits have been reverted. The discography included with the article was essential and illustrative and as these things go not over-long. Removing it by creating a separate page without simultaneously addressing the fair-use templates and issues for the album cover pictures used caused another editor to declare those images orphaned/ non-free and mark them for deletion. To repair the damage, I've gone back about five steps. I've restored the discography to its rightful place here in this article, made sure the templates for each picture were correct, removed the orphan tags, and incorporated what I could of positive edits made between the breaking off of the discography and today. More need to be done, but that will have to be all for the moment. Sensei48 (talk) 08:07, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No mention of Bobby Haworth ?

It is almost unfathomable that there is no mention of Bobby Haworth in this article. Even though he and Shane parted company under less than perfect circumstances his contributions to the Kingston Trio were a big part of their continued success for many years. Shame. Duke53 | ^Talk 07:01, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea how the previous edit summary came about; I had been reading that article just previous to this one. Duke53 | ^Talk 07:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Duke - I agree - I know Bob H. and really enjoyed his two stints with the KT - but I wonder whether or not Bob H. should get a more featured role in the Kingston Trio article as opposed to here. The phrase about the personnel changing several times covers a number of situations, including both involving Bobby H. as well as the unsubstantiated story that Shane forced Nick to retire the second time. I would think that it would be possible to include a graceful reference or two to Bobby's contributions. Sensei48 (talk) 01:40, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be honest. I saw Bobby H and he added nothing to the Trio. Zero personality, not even good at telling jokes. – Kerαunoςcopia 08:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Forty-seven years?

"In March 2004, a month after his 70th birthday, Shane suffered a debilitating heart attack that forced him into retirement from touring and performing for the first time in forty seven years." (emphasis mine)

Am I missing something here? I saw Bob Shane perform with the Trio in the early 90s... or is he planning on performing in the year 2051? – Kerαunoςcopia 08:19, 8 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what the syntactical problem is here, K. But I'll change it to "after." Sensei48 (talk) 01:43, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Shane's birth name

I remember reading (but I can't remember where) that Bob's birth name was Schoen. Can it be that I'm mistaken?

Paul Magnussen (talk) 01:08, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Paul M. -

Good catch and thanks! Someone went into the article early in December and made a number of minor edits, of which the ncorrect birth name was the first - so I missed it. You're absolutely right - he was born Robert Castle Schoen, changed it to the phonetic Shane for the KT, and then legally changed it. His children are all Shanes, not Schoens. Thanks!

regards, Sensei48 (talk) 01:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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