Talk:Bluey (2018 TV series)

Requested move 26 February 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus. This discussion was originally closed as "not moved" on 00:15, 10 March 2024 (UTC), but I've changed it to no consensus per a discussion on my talk page. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 19:06, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

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• Bluey (2018 TV series) → Bluey
• Bluey → Bluey (disambiguation)

– Likely WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. If the page was moved, redirect Bluey (TV series) and Bluey (Australian TV series) to the 2018 TV series. If not, move the 2018 TV series to Bluey (TV series), and redirect Bluey (Australian TV series) here. 176.33.244.31 (talk) 19:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)

• Support Bluey. Easily the primary topic by pageviews (80–85%) (Bluey (dog) needs to be moved too but that's another discussion; note that its average pageviews have doubled since Bluey debuted). As for long-term significance, the show dominates results on Google Search, Images, News, Books (ok those hits aren't independent), and most convincingly it already claims the first six Scholar results for bluey. There will be negligible impact on user navigation from Bluey (nickname), which already gets a measly nine views/day. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 20:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
  • Support per this reason. —theMainLogan (t•c) 15:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  • And not that usage is in question, but WikiNav shows 80% of readers seeking the children's show. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. No primary topic. If there was one it would be Bluey (nickname), which easily has more long-term notability than the TV series. See previous RMs. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose the real dog among other uses seems to have enough long-term significance to suggest no clear primary topic. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:41, 27 February 2024 (UTC)
• Weak oppose I'm Australian, and I think the TV series is brilliant. I know it's also very popular in other parts of the world. But the problem I see is a form of WP:RECENTISM. It's not time yet to claim that current position of the TV series is going to be a long term one. HiLo48 (talk) 00:37, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Evidence for the long-term significance of other topics would be welcome (WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY); I didn't see any cited in previous RMs either. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:13, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
  • I think the long-term significance of the nickname, which has been common for many, many years, is obvious. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:06, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
    • "It's obvious" is unconvincing, and historical age is not determinative (WP:DPT). Hameltion (talk | contribs) 15:49, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose – Heavily agree that this feels like WP:RECENTISM and that, given the nickname, there isn't a primary topic. Moreover, given this has already been discussed three times in less than two years, this feels like relitigating until you get the result you want. Incidentally, I'm surprised an IP editor can even start a requested move discussion. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 06:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Categorizing the characters

I didn't think it would be controversial, but my edit categorizing the characters has been reverted twice, most recently by SatDis. Currently, they don't seem to be organized in any logical way. I propose three categories for recurring characters: extended Heeler/Cattle family, friends and classmates of Bluey and Bingo, and other adults not related to the Heelers (teachers, other kids' parents, etc.). Indeed, this is how it's done on the official website as well. Since the show doesn't use traditional credits for most of the cast, this may be the closest thing to a primary source. Specialsam110 (talk) 18:08, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Specialsam110: for the discussion. I don't completely oppose your edit, but I was just wondering if there's another example of a Featured Article that categorises characters? MOS:TVCAST states that "recurring and guest stars will not necessarily be credited in the same order in each episode, so their place in the list should be based on the order of credits from the first episode in which they appear." I will admit this is not currently accurate, but something to work on. SatDis (talk) 10:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Looking at other featured articles, it seems many of them have separate character pages, while the main page lists the characters in prose (usually describing their function within the show rather than how often they appear). Sesame Street has them spun out into a list of Muppets and a list of humans, Animaniacs breaks it down by segment on both the main page and the character page, and Hannah Montana's character list breaks it down by their role within the series, like I tried to do here.

An issue unique to Bluey is that there is no primary source for credit order since the child characters aren't listed there. I had a similar issue when I was making the page for Soap characters; in that show, every character, regardless of whether they're a lead, a recurring character, or a one-time guest, is listed alphabetically in the episode's credits. I decided that the actors who appear in the opening portrait were "main" characters (listed alphabetically), and that "recurring" characters were those who had made six or more appearances (listed in order of appearances). All other characters (some of whom were very important) were only mentioned on the character page. Scientific, maybe not, but compared to the mess that the characters page had grown into over who knows how many years, it looks pretty good.

Bluey doesn't have near as many characters as Soap, but they are still poorly organized. As it stands the characters are not listed in any obvious order; it isn't alphabetical, not the order they first appeared; a cursory glance at the episodes list shows that Lucky, Coco and Snickers all debuted before Muffin and Socks while Stripe and Trixie debuted in the same episode as Muffin and Socks but are listed after all the kids, including characters like Lila and Jack who debuted in series 2. Clearly, there's already a degree of categorization going on, there's just no labels, and within the unlabeled categories, little organization.

Perhaps the number of characters calls for a spun-off page, with the main page just having a prose section describing the Heeler family and the general scope of the other characters. Considering the page on Bandit is as long as all the other character descriptions combined, there's obviously the content to expand the other characters' descriptions. Specialsam110 (talk) 18:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Specialsam110: There is a separate page currently: List of Bluey (2018 TV series) characters. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:52, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Which makes this whole discussion academic. The real question is why isn't the characters page linked on the main page? In that case, I think that the character section on the main page should be changed to prose. Specialsam110 (talk) 19:23, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

I added a hatnote. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 March 2024

Citation needed for the jobs listed under the characters section for Bandit and Chili. Wolphren (talk) 10:58, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

There is a reference provided at the end of the sentence; "Bluey set to nuzzle her way into the hearts of Aussie preschoolers this October". SatDis (talk) 09:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Peabody Award

@David Matoushek: The {{nominated}} template is for awards where Bluey was nominated but did not win, if I recall correctly. I do not remember what template is used when the winner has not yet been announced, but @SatDis: should know. QuicoleJR (talk) 11:39, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I keep forgetting about the pending template. I won't forget about that next time. David Matoushek (talk) 13:10, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

It's fine. I just fixed it for you. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:18, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, pending. Thank you for fixing @QuicoleJR: SatDis (talk) 01:18, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Which section should this episode-list outtake go in?

("Broadcast" or "Critical reception"? (H/T SatDis (talk · contribs)'s advisory summary.)

[Series 2 episode "Dad Baby"] never aired on Disney's outlets; while Disney has not officially disclosed a reason, the Polygon website speculated that it was withheld due to its depictions of pregnancy and childbirth. It was released on the show's official YouTube account on 2 May 2024.

References

--Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:51, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson: Thanks for the message. There's a paragraph in the "Critical reception" section which also lists changes to episodes "Teasing", "Flat Pack", and "Exercise". I feel like this information would be perfect there. Thank you! SatDis (talk) 01:22, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Reason for the top 'for other uses, see bluey (etc)'?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this go against Wikipedia:NAMB since the topic is not ambiguous? RNGHit (talk) 18:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@RNGHit: I agree. I think removing it would be best. SatDis (talk)

I agree and have removed it. HiLo48 (talk) 03:05, 2 October 2024 (UTC)