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I have a few concerns about the information on this page: 1. The background is misleading by showing that Lebanon deserved Israeli attack against it which, is not the case. 2. The statement 'based on the best available cartographic and other documentary evidence.' needs evidence. 3. The Lebanese Army carried out surveyings beside the UN team and found out that the Blue Line has truncated huge areas from Lebanon and therefoe it does not match with the Lebanese borders. 4. Lebanon considers the Blue Line as a line that demarcates the Israeli troops deployment and not a border line. Lebanon also claims land at four points along the Blue Line and this fact is documented in the UN. This should be included in the article. 5. Lebanese borders with Palestine were demarcated by the French and the English before the declaration of the state of Israel and the borderlines are documented. Three of the Lebanese claims are on Israeli-Lebanese borders. 6. The fourth claim is on Lebanese-Syrian borders in Shebaa farms, which Israel says it is Syrian and Lebanon and Syrias say it is Lebanese. Both ways, Israel does not have the right to keep it. 7. The breaches to the Blue Line by both sides should be included as well as the casualties resulted from these breaches. 8. The statement 'they would respect the line as identified' needs a proof and reference is it was correct.

(a_rihani) 13:28, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


This article definitely needs a map/image Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 17:05, 24 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

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It seems to me that most of the concerns previously raised have been fixed. Is the neutrality still disputed? RyanEberhart 16:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Differences to Green Line?

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Is the Blue Line identical to the Green Line in northern Israel, ie the 1949 cease-fire line? I mean towards Lebanon and except the Golan Heights-Lebanon part.Vints 11:10, 10 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, a few very small differences (around a half dozen), none more than 475 meters. One is at the spot (though it was not a factor) of the much-reported Feb. 7, 2007 incursion into Lebanon across the Blue Line by Israel. DLinth 20:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fence?

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More info needed on the August 3rd incident. For example, the Isrealis were cutting the tree by reaching equipment over a fence. Why? Was the fence built on the line (according to the UN, no)? Was it built to demark some kind of "neutral zone" around the Blue Line? If there's nothing marking the Blue Line, I can see how it got out of hand, if the fence was the only indicator in that area of the separation between the two sides... 216.65.182.66 (talk) 22:05, 4 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]


The border between Israel and Lebanon isn't like the DMZ between the two Koreas. There is no buffer zone, no neutral zone. Like most countries that share a border there's no actual visible mark along the entire border. The border is simply the "Blue Line," an invisible line where Lebanon ends and Israel begins.

The fence was built by Israel alongside a road that wraps around the neighboring Israeli village, the fence and road don't follow the Blue Line. In some parts the fence is up against the Blue Line border with Lebanon, elsewhere the fence is further back from the Blue Line border so the land between the far side of the fence and the Blue Line is still Israel for a distance. That was the case of the tree in the August 3rd incident.

The Israelis were reaching over the fence because the tree was on the Israeli side of the border so it was Israel's responsibility to maintain it, they perform these trimmings about once a week and routinely notify the Lebanese army via UNIFIL when the work is going to occur so the Lebanese aren't surprised to see Israeli troops just a short distance away from Lebanon.

Even the Lebanese government acknowledged the tree was on the Israeli side of the Blue Line, but in a new development claims to no longer recognize the Blue Line's validity. The situation "got out of hand" because the Lebanese army opened fire to support that challenge to the Blue Line, in a sense the Lebanese government has adopted what has been the Hezbollah position of rejecting the UN determined, internationally recognized border between Lebanon and Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Polscinyu2012 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian President

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Section moved from the violations section to an independent section since the visit is not a violation of the blue line.--Atmleb (talk) 20:09, 31 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Map conflicts with text

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The map shows the Blue Line extending into the border between Lebanon and the Golan Heights even though the text of the article states that the the Blue Line expressly was not defined in this region. A new map should be created that agrees with the text.

This map also names the international border between Israel and Syria as the "1923 international border", when it more importantly is the 1949 international border. When the map is revised, this label should be updated. Dfoxvog (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving Page`

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Hey guys, thoughts about moving the page to Blue Line (Borer) instead of Blue Line (Lebanon) as the border is the Israeli-Lebanese border. Idan (talk) 23:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good idea. Epson291 (talk) 15:35, 10 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 16 August 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 05:18, 23 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Line (withdrawal line) → Blue Line (Israel-Lebanon border) – This is the de facto border between Israel and Lebanon. The fact that Israel withdrew to that line in 2000 is secondary. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 04:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Strong Oppose. It is not a border between Israel and Lebanon but a withdrawal line of Israeli forces from Lebanon. Part of the line also extends into the occupied Golan Heights border with Lebanon. Golan Heights is not Israel. It is a clear npov violation to claim that it is, which this move attempt does. This UNIFIL source says: "The Blue Line, stretching for 120km along Lebanon’s southern frontier, is a key to peace in the region. It is not a border, but a “line of withdrawal.” [1]. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:02, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The UN calls it a provisional borderline [2]. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 07:15, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That link is not UN. And if it was a border, it wouldnt be Israel-Lebanon, but Israel-Lebanon-Golan. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 08:38, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a paper in the peer-reviewed journal International Studies Review quoting the UN. That makes it better than the UN because that gives it WP:SECONDARY status. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for your point that the more accurate disambiguating term would be "Israel-Lebanon-Golan", that's not quite true. The line only extends to the Israeli occupied portion of the Golan Heights, not the entire Golan Heights. Therefore, if you wanted to be 100% accurate the disambiguating term would be Israel-Lebanon-Israeli occupied portion of the Golan". Of course, that would be far from WP:CONCISE. Therefore, "Israel-Lebanon" is the most concise. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 17:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Your source says that its not a border: " issue that is still subject to considerable contention today: the determination of borders in the Lebanon–Syria–Israel triborder region. Because Lebanon and Israel do not have diplomatic relations, Lebanon does not officially recognize the State of Israel, and Israel has not declared borders with Lebanon, even the idea of a border between the two states is a highly contested political issue. Instead, the United Nations Interim Force In Lebanon (UNIFIL) claims to be marking not a border but a “Blue Line,” a provisional borderline between Lebanon and Israel." --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 06:11, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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