Talk:Black soup

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Documentary on the Maasai

I've seen a documentary on the Maasai which asserted that just warming blood stops it from clotting (and reliquifies it after it has started clotting). When you make vinaigrette, the mustard is the emulsifier - the vinegar doesn't perform that function. And a man from Sybaris hated it, ha! As I have observed, there are plenty of people who hate modern black pudding, so the testimony of a man from Sybaris is worthless. Having people on TV making this stuff and simply putting enough salt and vinegar into it to make it inedible for a laugh is a pointless exercise. Small amounts of vinegar are traditionally added to brawn or even lentil soups or stews to stop them from being bland (Worcestershire sauce is used for the same purpose by people who don't realise the value of vinegar on its own). Vince Calegon 16:05, 3 March 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vince Calegon (talk • contribs)

source calls it a VEGETABLE soup

This source calls black broth a vegetable soup. here Meat was a rarity with them and their warriors were fed upon their famous "black broth," a preparation which nowadays we would call a rather thin vegetable soup. --valereee (talk) 13:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

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IamEmpressDowager (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 06:08, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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• ... that the ancient Spartans ate the black soup, which was made using only pork blood, meat, salt, and vinegar? Source: "Maciej Kokoszko, "Mélas Zomós (μέλας ζωμός), or on a Certain Spartan Dish. A Source Study," in Studies on Ancient Sparta, eds. Ryszard Kulesza and Nicholas Sekunda, Akanthina, no. 14, ed. Nicholas Sekunda (Gdańsk: Gdańsk University Press, 2020), 9-28. ISBN 978-83-7865-945-7. OCLC 1225234705."

5x expanded by IamEmpressDowager (talk). Self-nominated at 19:46, 8 April 2021 (UTC).

• Do I see this right that what you've nominated is Black soup only? If so, you need to remove the bold font of the Sparta article in the hook. Schwede66 02:07, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

• Sparta is not currently DYK-eligible, so I unbolded it. I also changed "Black soup" to "black soup". MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 20:25, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

•  Note: Nominator is a WikiEd student editor for the Winter 2021 term at Acadia University. (course link) The course ends on April 25, 2021. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

• I'm the student's instructor and can help with the DYK as well if there are other concerns! Gardneca (talk) 11:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

• Comment: I recognize it may not always be the easiest thing to cite directly, but this article really needs to be clear that the "Spartans" it refers to are a tiny minority of Spartans that at absolute peak made less than a tenth of the state's population, and that all of the people in question were filthy rich by antiquity standards and so the distinction between 'banquet meal' and 'daily meal' is rather thinner than the opening lays out. I've made some edits on this matter, but as it stands the article presents a relatively egalitarian Sparta -- maybe the least egalitarian society in all of human history -- and so is active misinformation. Vaticidalprophet 06:00, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
• The nominator hasn't edited since the 9th and their course ended yesterday, so unless they can return or another editor can adopt this, this may need to be marked for closure as abandoned. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:10, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

• I'm the student's instructor, what changes need to be made? I saw that Sparta had been unbolded, above, and black soup turned to lower case. Gardneca (talk) 11:02, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Apparently the article may need some rewrites to correct misinformation. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

• Can you be more specific? This is one of the most comprehensively researched articles I've ever supervised, and the research quality is excellent. I'm an archaeologist who works in Sparta, so I'm happy to discuss these areas of perceived misinformation, but I don't see any. I recommended this student self-nominate for DYK due to the outstanding research here. Gardneca (talk) 12:44, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet: was the one who raised concerns so perhaps they could explain further what issues they may have with the article. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:06, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

@Vaticidalprophet:, can you please return and address the questions posed to you? This nomination has been languishing for weeks now. MeegsC (talk) 20:31, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I informed NLH at the time I had no intent of returning to this nomination and assumed that had been communicated. I do not intend to say or do anything more on this topic and have no qualms with any other reviewer doing as they wish. Vaticidalprophet 20:33, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

New reviewer needed, please. MeegsC (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

I was, for the record, unaware I was being considered a reviewer here -- I'd simply made a non-review comment on an issue I saw. Vaticidalprophet 00:32, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - N: "Military campaigns" did not end with a citation: should be an easy fix. I marked it with a cn tag.
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: I won't comment on Vaticalprophet's concerns above, as I am not an expert in this field and VP seems to have dropped the matter. I did an extensive copyedit on the article to fix some phrasing; please evaluate my changes to make sure I did not unintentially change the meaning of a sentence. I also propose a slight tweak to the hook, which I have placed below. Please let me know if it is acceptable: Z1720 (talk) 02:30, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• I reviewed all the copyedits, thanks for making all those improvements Z1720! I also added a citation where requested and rephrased that sentence for clarity. I think the new hook is good. Please let me know if anything else needs to be done. Gardneca (talk) 11:26, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

• ALT1 ...that ancient Spartans ate black soup, which was made using pork blood, meat, salt, and vinegar?

I approved the hook without the nom's response because they haven't edited in a month and Gardneca is their Wikied instructor. If the nom objects, I will remove the tick. My concerns are addressed and I think the article is good to go. Z1720 (talk) 12:46, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

It is not true that the laconian food with black gruel doesnt exist anymore. Because here in the philippines it is one of the delicacies. One of the filipino favorite dishes

But this time we dont use cow but pig. Sherinnaalday (talk) 06:26, 28 June 2023 (UTC)