Talk:Black Museum (Black Mirror)

Something to look for a source...

Something that we visually can see but can't include until we have a source that affirms the show reached out to him, is that 15M comic cover was one done by artist Butcher Billy last year, [1]. --Masem (t) 03:33, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

I believe the artist confirmed that on Twitter. -- Radiphus 03:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

New Easter Egg

I noticed that Carrie complains about Jack reading its comic too slowely, and that he justifies it by the fact it is a graphic novel. I think his is a reference to a previous role of Alexandra Roach (actress of Carrie) in the Utopia series. In fact, the manuscript of a graphic novel is very important in the plot of this series. How could I justify it with references ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clapetish (talk • contribs) 18:10, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

You need to find a reliable source (like a newspaper or magazine) that explicitly makes this connection. As a concern, the "comic" vs "graphic novel" argument is potential from many different sources, so this likely seems like a stretch. --Masem (t) 18:17, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Source of Pain Addict

Just wanted to note that Pain Addict was previously published in a booklet that came with Penn & Teller's Cruel Tricks for Dear Friends: A small little paper anthology titled WOULD COULD SHOULD: The Science Fiction Anthology 1988, story under the authorship of Valda Peach, which I guess is a fake name made up for the anthology. The Production section makes it sound to me as if Penn had failed to publish the story until it was used in Black Mirror.

I don't know if the heavy.com article says anything about this because every time I try to open the link the site is so heavy on CPU usage that it locks up my display manager. --Stackguy (talk) 22:02, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Hmm, this is curious. The heavy.com article (here for anyone that can access the site) does in fact say overtly that Pain Addict was previously unpublished. The relevant part is this:

"Penn’s Pain Addict story was never published, so you can't purchase the original version."

Do you have a source about the WOULD COULD SHOULD story, linking it to Black Mirror? I'm willing to believe that Heavy could be mistaken here, but we'd need a secondary source to mention the booklet in the article. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 00:43, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

I could only find conversation about it around the internet that probably doesn't meet standards for reference.

Twitter - Penn seeming to confirm it on Twitter (most hopeful?)

Reddit - This is from a very obscure book within a book from 1992. *For the first time ever on the Internet,* here is the original short story by Penn Jillette on which the “Pain Addict” segment of the episode “Black Museum” of the series “Black Mirror” is based. ...

Would, Could, Should: The Science Fiction Society Anthology 1988 @ The Internet Speculative Fiction Database (unfortunately nothing here about Penn & Teller authorship) --Stackguy (talk) 02:29, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Yes, the latter two are not reliable sources for this information, but since there are no other sources (at least not that I can find), the Tweet looks like it will do for stating that the story has been published before. Feel free to add it to the article (or I'll do so myself in a little bit if you haven't got around to it). — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 13:24, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Done in this edit. It would be good to find better sourcing but it may be that none exists. — Bilorv_(c)(talk) 16:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Black Museum (Black Mirror)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) 21:20, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Comments

• " Nevada, America." usually just "United States" rather than "America".
• "The episode... A horror episode" bit reptitive.
• "ranked low by" reads odd to me, perhaps "ranked weakly by"?
  • Now "generally received weak rankings". — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• I understand you are very careful with plot word counts so take the following as you see fit:
  • The filling station is very different, using solar charging, hence why she has so much time to visit the museum, worth noting?
  • She mentions that she is visiting her "dad", this is a cool dangling carrot....
    • First two not done, both good details but more misleads than plot points and it's tight on words. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • " from feeling anything" felt more wholesale than that, e.g. "from experiencing anything"
  • "he feels guilty and unpauses her on weekends to spend time with their son" I'm not quite in agreement, he unpaused her after a couple of months because he felt bad, and then they agreed the weekend thing. Difficult to syonpsise.
    • Yeah I've made room for it because it is really a factual error. "After months, he feels guilty and unpauses her. Several weeks later they agree for her to be unpaused on weekends only." Lot of time skipping in this story, a little poorly done in my opinion. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
  • I missed how Rolo got the monkey back?
    • I was confused by this too—the episode doesn't mention. My guess is that the hospital took it back when either it became illegal or it was realised that it was illegal (not clear on which it's supposed to be), and then Rolo just ran off with it. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• " who Rolo insists was guilty of murder, Nish reminding him of " odd run-on for me, maybe " who Rolo insists was guilty of murder but Nish reminds him of " or similar?
  • Now its own sentence, "Rolo insists he was guilty of murder but Nish reminds him of conflicting evidence." — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• I think if you link electric chair, you could justifiably link vegetative state.
• "consciousness inside Clayton's" into rather than inside?
• " then electrocuting it, creating a" creates.
  • Gone with "which creates". — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• "series one and two of Black Mirror were shown on Channel 4 in the UK, Netflix commissioned the series for 12 episodes (split into two series" a lot of "series" in there.
  • Changed the middle to "programme" but not any British English alternatives to the others that I can think of. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• " $40 million," use non-breaking space.
• " and in March 2016" make a new sentence so to avoid repeating Netflix and Ch 4 in the same sentence and reduce run-ons.
• "similar ... similar" repetitive.
• "written by magician Penn Jillette early in his career.[6] Jillette had written " again a touch repetitive.
• Four out of five sentences start with Jillette.
• Letitia Wright , Douglas Hodge and Daniel Lapaine are overlinked.
• Black Panther is mentioned three times in two sentences.
  • Now two, hopefully reads alright. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• "appears in this episode as Dr. Peter Dawson, after appearing " repetitive.
• "Spain and Nevada, America" see before.
• "darker moments of the episode" no need to repeat "of the episode" (episode is already mentioned once in this sentence anyway).
• "de Veer. De Veer " repetitive, perhaps just merge with "who".
• Cristobal Tapia de Veer is overlinked.
• Hate to be repetitive but "episode" is used four times in two sentences in the Analysis section and a total of 22 times in that and the Reception section. I know it's inevitably going to be used because it's an article about the episode (!) but I do wonder if mixing it up a little is possible to avoid seeing it so many times?
  • Down to 11 with a mixture of "instalment", "it" and eliding or rewording, which are hopefully all fairly natural. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• Consider linking "grind house" as it's not a particularly common term.
• Tales from the Crypt is overlinked.
• "about conjoined twins who" it's probably important to note they're separated.
  • Now "a pair of formerly conjoined twins who". — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
• Fifteen Million Merits, White Bear, and USS Callister are all overlinked.
• Ref column doesn't need to be sortable.
• Consistency on date formats in the references.
• Ref 23 has spaced hyphen, should be en-dash.

That's all I have. From my perspective, I felt it was a good episode and I enjoyed re-watching it, so thanks again for the opportunity to do so, hopefully my comments will be of use. I'll place the article on hold for now. Cheers. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 12:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the comments. It's a very popular episode so I was a bit surprised by the critical consensus. The more I watch, the more details awry there are, but I do still enjoy it. — Bilorv (Black Lives Matter) 19:48, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

No worries. I still think the fact she says she's visiting her dad is worthy of note, but I won't let it stop me passing the article, great stuff, let me know when you get round to the next one! The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 20:53, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Negative Critical Reception

How are we justifying that the episode was received negatively? In what universe is 75% on RT considered 'negative'?189.217.89.39 (talk) 16:29, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This comment isn't a summary of Rotten Tomatoes, which isn't an objective rating, and differs from Wikipedia's purpose in several ways: it is unable to take into account gradation as it marks each review as a binary "positive" or "negative"; and it has slightly lower standards than Wikipedia in what is counted as a "reliable" source. The reception is negative here because it was reviewed poorly on rankings lists and was criticised for lack of cohesion between the stories and a bad ending, though there are some counterbalancing positives. (This isn't my personal opinion, by the way—I love the episode.) In addition, we have a source that directly says that the episode was mostly negatively received (and they argue this is because the racial themes are overlooked by the mostly white reviewers). — Bilorv (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2021 (UTC)