Talk:Bigil/Archive 1

Archive 1

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2019

210.18.177.109 (talk) 04:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC) Jackie Shroff

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Alucard 16_{❯❯❯ chat?} 05:38, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Please update the Thalapathy 63 Wikipedia page SachindixitSJD (talk) 02:44, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Hi

Please update the Thalapathy 63 Wikipedia page add g gnasamantham, nanjil sampath in cast and indhuja ravichandran SachindixitSJD (talk) 13:07, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Please edit Thalapathy 63

Hi SachindixitSJD (talk) 13:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Plz edit Thalapathy 63 SachindixitSJD (talk) 07:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Add Kalli heroine SachindixitSJD (talk) 08:04, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Article move

I assume that Thalapathy 63 is almost certainly not going to be the official title of whatever film is eventually released. Doesn't it make more sense to move this article to "Untitled Vijay film (2019)" with a redirect from Thalapathy 63? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:47, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Edit Thalapathy 63

Hi SachindixitSJD (talk) 14:09, 17 May 2019 (UTC) Nanjil sampath — Preceding unsigned comment added by SachindixitSJD (talk • contribs) 03:20, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Budget is wrong Ramkumar180 (talk) 17:03, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done the cited source clearly states ₹140 crore - Arjayay (talk) 17:10, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2019

ThePhantom5656 (talk) 07:16, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

I would like to edit the introduction and others to add more info about the film

 Not done This is not the right page to request additional user rights.
If you want to suggest a change, please request this in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ".
Please also cite reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 08:55, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2019

The film will be released on the eve of Diwali on 25 October 2019 clashing with Karthi starrer big budgeted film Kaithi (2019 film).https://moosegazette.net/vijays-bigil-likely-to-be-a-step-above-karthis-kaithi-this-diwali-after-securing-maximum-screens-worldwide/30446/ However special screenings for both films have been cancelled by the Tamil Nadu government.https://www.pinkvilla.com/entertainment/south/bigil-and-kaithis-special-shows-cancelled-tamil-nadu-government-ahead-their-diwali-release-481478 175.157.221.171 (talk) 02:20, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done, You did not specify what change you want. The request should be of the format "Please change X to Y". Regards. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 09:53, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

8 days collection worldwide 280 crore update it source below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taaeb2XCkd0 Giskonn (talk) 10:08, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

9 days gross as per businesstoday 230 crore source below

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/bigil-box-office-collection-day-9-vijay-atlee-film-breaks-rajinikanth-petta-record-earns-rs-230-worldwide/story/388170.html Giskonn (talk) 15:39, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

250 crore

https://tamil.filmibeat.com/news/will-archana-kalpathi-open-up-real-bo-of-bigil/articlecontent-pf113576-064654.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Giskonn (talk • contribs) 15:50, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2019

1000cr boxoffice worldwide 115.112.100.122 (talk) 17:11, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done You did not specify what to do. The request should be of the format "Please change X to Y". Also you didn't provide any source. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:16, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

bigil 300 crore 17 days collection times of india

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/tamil/movies/box-office/bigil-box-office-update-vijays-sports-drama-collects-rs-300-in-17-days/articleshow/72007931.cms Singhtejass (talk) 13:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Already used. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Incorrect sentence under Music section

Under Music section, "Reports have stated that Vijay didn't sing a song for a film composed by Rahman" is factually incorrect. Perhaps whoever wrote this meant to suggest that Vijay had infact sung a song for a film composed by Rahman. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.193.11.225 (talk • contribs) 10 November 2019 (UTC)

 Already done: please see Special:Diff/926312863. Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 04:30, 16 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2019

Hariharanvpch (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC)box office details are mentioned low actually it is higher than 350 crore

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 16:19, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

BoxOfficeIndia

@Cyphoidbomb: Sir, while BOI is considered reliable as per WP:ICTF, I couldn't understand the outcome of this discussion. It seems BOI "there is no evidence of fact-checking". And in most notable film articles, BOI sources are rarely mentioned if more mainstream sources like Times of India, The Hindu, etc are available. This is regarding these edits. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:57, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

Surely that isn't the final outcome of the 2008 discussion? It is a claim by a user which appears to have been refuted. AFAIK the mainstream sources like TOI are almost always dependent on either BOI or Bollywood Hungama (Taran Adarsh's Twitter updates, to be precise) for Hindi film figures, and the Twitter accounts of trade analysts for Telugu/Tamil film figures. DeluxeVegan (talk) 17:12, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

I ain't reading that entire discussion! Some good points are raised, though. I don't personally know who is behind the site or who their reporters are. I also don't know who's behind Andhra Box Office, and we don't use them. I haven't seen a lot of huge discrepancies from BOI except for their idiotic budget, which includes P&A costs, which are never factored into production budgets. We've been using them regularly for years, so either we keep doing that, or perhaps a new discussion could be initiated. To DeluxeVegan's point, the argument that other sites rely on BOI could make it seem reliable, but news sites also care what Andhra Box Office thinks and I've seen them regurgitate a lot of poor sites, including rumours in comment sections, so I don't know if that's always the strongest argument, especially for an industry of oft-times lazy journalists. I personally would let the range exist until a clear consensus is formed about whether or not BOI is considered reliable. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:35, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: That's why I suggested a range to the other editor. But is it necessary to have a range in the article body? Or it is better to mention gross figures with the name of the source and time? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 17:41, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with a range in the article body. But if there's another way to present that content, that might be valid as well, so long as we were presenting a neutral picture. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:18, 1 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: OK. There's another issue with the BOI source [1] which I missed before. It reads "Bigil will finish at around 285 crore plus worldwide". The usage of the word "will" makes the "worldwide figures" WP:CRYSTAL. What do you suggest now? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 08:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Fylindfotberserk Just now I saw the bigil article. I was shocked you people were using unreliable BOI source. hello BOI source used in bigil film article is a dubious one. BOI only track how much a film collects in india alone. they dont track worldwide figures whereas 285 crore is only india gross of bigil film not worldwide. please remove it Lisvanna (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:25, 2 December 2019 (UTC) The BOI source especially calls it "worldwide". I on the other hand is more concerned on it being WP:CRYSTAL. Wait for others to reply. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 10:31, 2 December 2019 (UTC) BOI clearly states that the all India gross for Bigil is 258 crore. The worldwide figure of 285 crore, on the other hand, looks like a box office prediction to me. Best to wait for further updates. It looks like the 300 crore figure originates from the producers, since they have released a poster to commomerate the supposed milestone. DeluxeVegan (talk) 10:38, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Here is the proof the film collected 300 crore on its 17th day itself worldwide timesnownews very much reliable source and now it should be higher than 300. https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment/box-office/article/bigil-worldwide-box-office-collection-day-17-vijay-s-film-beats-rajinikanth-s-enthiran-hits-rs-300-crore/514117 Lisvanna (talk) 10:46, 2 December 2019 (UTC) TOI covers the same event, but also includes an official poster released by the makers, suggesting that this is primary data. Neither website mentions their source for the financials. DeluxeVegan (talk) 10:55, 2 December 2019 (UTC) BOI predicts that Bigil "will" collect 285 crore thats a furturistic word used there and box office prediction from unreliable BOI writer. Use some good reliable sources rather than BOI box office prediction. end of the topic remove unreliable BOI vote for me Lisvanna (talk) 11:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Using BOI's futuristic prediction is problematic, but as is regurgitating figures from the producers. DeluxeVegan (talk) 11:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC) search in google you guys can find many sources stating this film grossed 300 crore. who is that dumb fellow? who added this BOI box office prediction and disputed this good article. Lisvanna (talk) 11:16, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Check on another reliable source business today stating the film grossed 300 crore globally. https://www.businesstoday.in/trending/box-office/bigil-box-office-collection-day-26-vijay-film-earns-rs-300-crore-globally-becomes-his-highest-grosser-in-uk/story/390684.html Lisvanna (talk) 12:02, 2 December 2019 (UTC) @DeluxeVegan: If I'm not mistaken, the source[2] mentions 2.58 crore for the "GROSS in the Hindi circuits in their original formats", and not 258 crore. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:03, 2 December 2019 (UTC) Oh, good catch! I need to relearn my Indian numericals, heh... DeluxeVegan (talk) 16:07, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: Regardless of the sockpuppet disruption, I tend to agree with you and DeluxeVegan that the BOI source was trying to predict something, which makes it a WP:CRYSTAL issue. I'm also not a fan of those articles they sometimes release, because it's unclear who is writing them and I feel like sometimes they contradict their main data tables. I don't know if they still do the Q&A articles but I always hated those. I'd often see figures that didn't match other sources, or their own content. But, I didn't track any of that, so my feeling is mostly anecdotal. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Should we remove BOI figures then? - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:13, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Fylindfotberserk: I'll leave it to you guys to figure out. I notice that SuriyaCR7Fan hasn't bothered to discuss this yet. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: Yup, forgot to ping SuriyaCR7Fan, but I did ask him to discuss it here in the edit summaries. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:31, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Every time I think things get better around sourcing for Indian films, the rug gets pulled out... For this situation, I would ignore any "predicted" amounts from any sources. If there's enough from various sources prior to release, then maybe, BIG MAYBE, if there's something interesting about the predictions. For post-release stuff where they try to predict the final amount, no way. WP:CRYSTAL and all of that. Stick with the actual numbers given. If we have to wait 2-3 weeks to get the final numbers, there is no deadline. While part of me would love to take some of this to WP:ICTF or better Wikiproject Film, I'd hate to see BOI deprecated when it's one of the more available sources... It's not perfect, but the alternative could be really, really ugly. Maybe use BOI as a last resort? Ravensfire (talk) 19:22, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb, Ravensfire, and DeluxeVegan: I'm removing BOI sourced figure for being WP:CRYSTAL. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:05, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Box office collection is described here which is low.

Box office collection of bigil is more than 350 crores Hariharanvpch (talk) 16:02, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Hariharanvpch: As the last editor indicated, if you want us to change anything, you will have to bring a reliable source. We're not here to do research for you. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Actually we cannot come into certain conclusions with the numbers as different sources say different numbers. First of all whether the film reached 300 crores or not is a bit question mark to me. Times of India, quite reliable source states that the film grossed 300 crores within 17 days. I also allege filmmakers try to promote films by saying huge numbers and Wikipedia is also one of the sources that they use for their marketing purposes. I also involved in similar discussion like this here regarding the attempt of Tamil filmmakers to promote their content. Oops I am not mistaken with my comments here. Abishe (talk) 14:10, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

300-390 crore gross range is questionable.

In this edit I reverted the changes made by brand-new editor Winkowside. As sourced, Firstpost's financial observation is: "This year's Diwali season has been memorable for Tamil cinema with Vijay's Bigil and Karthi's Kaithi grossing nearly Rs 390 crores globally."[3] The Kaithi article indicates the film has grossed 105 crore. When I look at the Bigil gross range of 285-300 crore from a few days ago and then add Kaithi's 105 crore, that puts us in the 390-405 range. It seems pretty clear that Firstpost was talking about Tamil cinema in general, combining both figures to indicate how well the industry is doing. This seems like a case of unconscious confirmation bias, i.e. unconsciously interpreting somewhat ambiguous language in a way that confirms what we want to be true. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:56, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Cyphoidbomb: I've reinserted the older Firstpost source that listed a gross of 285 crores, that was removed by the new user. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 18:07, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

@Winkowside: this edit doesn't seem constructive to me, when 1) no reliable sources have commented on there being a dispute, and 2) you have clearly misinterpreted what Firstpost was saying. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:38, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

I also noticed that the list List of Tamil films of 2019 clearly say Bigil earnt an estimated 300 crores and Kaithi earnt 100 crores as they were Diwali releases. I created the article for Kaithi on 11 March 2019 as a stub article but I do not have much control over the article at present and I do not know anything about box office collections and also I do not edit it regularly. Even the exact box office numbers of Petta and Viswasam which were Thai Pongal releases are not clearly stated in their own articles respectively. Petta's box office in the article is mentioned between 220-250 and Viswasam's numbers is ranged between 180-200. Abishe (talk) 03:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)

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estimate range not required

on feb 7 2020, News 18 published the film collected more than 300 crore. if its more than 300 crore its unworthy to have a estimate. It has to be mentioned more than 300 crore instead. please share your views.

https://www.news18.com/news/movies/tamil-star-vijay-reportedly-earned-rs-30-crore-for-bigil-reveal-it-raids-2491609.html Dominicoz (talk) 15:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

According to WP:ICTF guidelines, we are supposed to mention the grosses as a range if coming from multple sources. See the exact wordings in under the General guidelines/Films which writes → "higher numbers aren't necessarily more accurate, and when in doubt, presenting a range is always an option..". Also various discussions archived in the talk page allude to the usage of a range (this and this). - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 15:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

My point is if its more than 300 crore according to News 18 published on feb 2020 and you have mentioned 285-300 crore which means 300 is the final amount and it opposes the News 18 stats more than 300 crore gross which is also a trustworthy reference. I don't find it as a right mention?? I think that first post reference is also mentioned as 285+ crore. + signifies additional gross so the firstpost reference can be clearly excluded here.Dominicoz (talk) 16:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The more in "more than 300 crore" in this source or any other source is a dubious thing. Most news agencies write something like that. It can very much be 300 crore but less than 301 crore. That's why we write the exact figures mentioned in the source. Also as per Template:Infobox film, we are suppose to round of the numbers. And as I said, various agencies have their own sources, so we prefer to keep a rage, which is also as per rule. That is also one of the reasons why there was a consensus to add the {{estimation}} template before these figures. See Eega, a Featured Article, it also uses a range. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

In firstpost reference its 285+ crore which means more than 285 crore. It cannot be rounded off to 285 crore. It can be only mentioned as more than 285 crore. since it is inaccurate. the same way you can include the News18 refrence and mention more than 300 crore without avoiding the News 18 reference in which it also coincides with the firstpost reference surpassing 285+ crore.Dominicoz (talk) 16:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Doesn't address the fact that both are different agencies, so a range is best. Pinging @Cyphoidbomb:. - Fylindfotberserk (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The only thing we know for sure is that both sources agree that the film grossed at least 285 crore. So either we use that lower figure, or we use a range. The range seems like the way to go so that we don't have data in conflict with our sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Bigil collected 350 cr at the box office .

Bigil movie collected solid 300cr at the box office which was proven by the officials of income tax .other details from websites stating bigil grossed 285cr was published just before the film entered 300cr club.india.com and many other prominent websites have given the exact report 350cr. 42.109.146.181 (talk) 15:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Melmann 22:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protection request

Please semi-protect Bigil as the page is being heavily vandalized, especially the box office. @Deepfriedokra @Black Kite 103.160.194.147 (talk) 00:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)

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Bigil collected

Bigil collected 390 crores Highest grossing film for vijay 117.193.222.227 (talk) 08:16, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

And the reference to your reliable source is ? - Arjayay (talk) 10:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

to arjayay:Bigil collection:390 crores source:times of india,india today told — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.199.100 (talk) 10:42, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 November 2022

61.3.193.148 (talk) 14:58, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Bigil collection:390 crores

 Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 15:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

The producer of bigil said that the collection is 390 crores Jeevan Baswa (talk) 13:38, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 November 2022

Jeevan Baswa (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Actually I have a source of bigil collection Actually the bigil collection is 390 crores not 300 crores The producer itself said to me

Ok Jeevan Baswa (talk) 13:37, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You are not a reliable source. The information needs to be published in a good quality source. Ravensfire (talk) 13:50, 18 November 2022 (UTC)