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Big Pun Forever

Although this site says "Wikipedia may use it" note that the author does not grant a GFDL compliant license - though it is arguable that he/she intended to he definately did not - which is what is required for contributions to be made to wikipedia. I think it would be fair to ask the author or use it as a reference for verifiability. But there is no reason to wholesale use the bio from there. Trödel•talk 02:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Big Puns Birthday

Big Puns Birthday is November 9. Not November 10.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=8833 http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0700570/

^^^^

Theres Proof (and I don't mean the one from D12). November 9th (without the "TH" words, just trying to say it how I'm saying it now) is his birthday. They showed it after his video.

So? There's also 'proof' saying his birthday is November 10th. Look in the album book to "Yeeeah Baby".--Tainted Drifter 19:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

can anyone confirm that another pun album is being considered?

FindAGrave is not a legit source as anyone can post information about a grave on there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honestee (talk • contribs) 21:56, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment moved here

I've moved the following here from the lead for discussion:

He is noted as one of rap's premier lyricists.[1]

Leaving aside the "noted as" and "premier", which would need rewording, the source doesn't really back up the comment; first, the comment implies wide agreement rather than a single copywriter's puff, and secondly, I can't see anything that says more than that the writer in question thinks that he's a "legendary lyricist" — he could be that and still be the second or third best.

In any case, is the lead the best place for something like this? I'd have said that it belongs (when cleaned up and given a proper source) somewhere in the main text. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 18:29, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Tupac is mentioned as one of the greatest rappers of all time in the intro, in the same way that Big Pun is renowned as a lyricist. I'll find more sources if necessary. But it is POV not to mention what the vast majority of hip hop fans feel.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Yanksta x (talk • contribs) 22:55, 15 April 2007
No, it isn't (see WP:NPOV and WP:CITE. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:58, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Ethnicity in lead

Per WP:MOSBIO, I have removed ethnicity from the lead and placed it further into the article. Does anybody think differently? Are we treated people of Puerto Rican descent differently regarding ethnicity? Thank you. --70.109.223.188 (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

video before death

i dont know if this is all that important, but heres a youtube video of pun at what looks like to be the pool at the crown plaza hotel the same day he died

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE8HyuSnZSQ&feature=related —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.13.21 (talk) 02:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Death section

Intellect and Originality

Name one rapper you know that sounds like Big Pun, Not only did he hav a steady flow, despite the fact that he'd lose breathe, his lyrics were deep. You could actually illustrate a scene, jus by listening to his lyrics. Big Pun was one of a kind, Although he lived a rough life, he was said to be a good man. Besides, he is only man... Big Pun will be remembered and his music will be passed down through generations. He spoke of The Bronx, how it really is. Real Talk.. - Jazi * —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.151.200.253 (talk) 15:54, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Well Kool G and Pun sounded quite similiar because Kool G was Pun's main inspiration. Sure Pun once kissed Kool G's ring out of respect and Pun said he based his style on Kool G's Rap examiner (talk) 12:18, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup

Made a few grammar edits, lets work hard to get this page up to where it should be, in terms of style and content.TheHappiestCritic (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

Quote

I took out a very positive quote about Big Pun - but would be open to including it or at least part of that. Trödel•talk 01:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Removing section "Rivalry" from article

I removed this stuff as there is some dispute as to whether this should be in the article - it also could by a copyvio. Can the editors wanting to include this please provide some references Trödel 22:19, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Many Things

Big pun needs to have a picture not a album cover, a nice picture. the Lyrical ability part of his article needs to get cited with sources and he needs to have a sliver lock on his page. His life needs to have sources and cites. Last night i was reading his article and none of this stuff like the "Lyrical Ability" part wasn't there and someone just put it there with no cites or anything. I'm saying quit vandalizing Pun's page and people at wikipedia needs to put a lock on his page so some knuckleheads don't mess it up. Can someone get a real picture of Big Pun and have legacy part of his article talking about his legacy in the rap game and what not. I Was reading and the lyrical ability was there, i would like for someone to keep that but cite some sources. Sorry for bugging you guys at Wikipedia, but Big pun needs his props. JamesSax1999 (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 February 2012

75.68.163.223 (talk) 20:54, 28 February 2012 (UTC) Big Pun died on February 7, 2000

 Done, thanks for pointing it out--Jac16888 Talk 20:59, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Picture

Can someone get a picture for Big Pun, at least something except a album cover.

Someonee needs to get a nice picture of Big pun and someone needs to take of The Still not a player documentary, because we don't need it and clean up his Lyrical Abillity part of the article. I Would also like to see a legacy part of his page. Someone needs to put a Sliver lock on his page, so random people or people who don't know about him can't edit it. Thank You. JamesSax1999 (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Someone should get a nice picture of Big Pun, not from a album or mural in New York City. There needs to be a nice legacy part of his article, take out the Still not a player documentary, we actually don't need it. Someone really needs to cleanup his Lyrical Abillity part of his article. We would all like to see a Lock on his page, A Sliver lock or something. Thank You. JamesSax1999 (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

breath control

He is most often praised for his complex rhyme scheme, unceasing rhythm, and incredibly relentless flow and breath control, despite his immense size.

WTF does this mean? is this a joke? an insult? a truth statement?

no its not a joke, its true. listen to a song of pun's.--Mjp797 15:25, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Regardless, there's nothing wrong with that sentence, whatever your personal opinion of him is. It says he had incredible breath control despite his large size. A factual and objective statement. (unsigned comment)

Sorry but his work isn't exactly a good example good 'breath control' by any means. In 'How To Rap (2009)', the author details how Big Pun prominently used punch-ins to only do 1-2 bars at once, plus this is easily heard with a set of headphones despite really good engineering on the album (dozens of punch-ins per song). Any MC can have good breath control if they are punching every 1-2 bars (because you don't need any). _ morde t .. 06:09, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

Many Things that need fixing.

Big pun should have a picture like everyone else, a nice one not a album cover, something nice. someone should really cleanup the lyrical ability section of the article and cite sources. Someone that is in control needs to put a lock on his page like a sliver lock. These would just make the article much better, and someone needs to cite sources for his life and what not. Thank You. JamesSax1999 (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Some other things

Can someone get a real picture of Big Pun and can someone have a lyrical ablilty part of his page with like some sources and what not. Something talking about his legacy in the rap game, something to that extent. JamesSax1999 (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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full a clipse

i know cuba and seis where in the crew with pun but was prospect for sure in there? can anyone confirm? 24.70.95.203 (talk) 05:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

Rivalry

The problems between 50 Cent and Big Pun's friend and mentor Fat Joe go back to altercations Big Punisher himself had with 50 Cent. Big Pun even went as far as deriding 50 Cent on his song "My Turn" on his second album Yeeeah Baby. The issues between Big Pun and Fiddy were said to have started when 50 Cent rapped about robbing Big Pun in his song "How To Rob" on his unreleased album Power of the Dollar. Big Pun responded to 50 Cent's lyrics on the final verse of his song "My Turn" by warning 50 Cent that he would "blow" Fiddy's "motherfuckin' head off".

There is also the feud, or "beef", between Big Pun and Jay-Z. The story, though never verified, goes as follows: Jay-Z was performing drunk at a New York club (the name of which has never been confirmed) when Big Pun, Fat Joe, and Cuban Link got on stage and told Jay-Z to get off, so that Terror Squad could perform their set. It was then said that a drunken and angered Jay-Z punched Fat Joe and was then knocked on the head with a bottle of champagne by Pun. After the altercation, Big Pun and Jay-Z were said to have shot several subliminal disses at each other before Pun's premature death. On Pun's hit single "100%" from his sophomore album Yeeeah Baby, Pun rapped:


which many Hip Hop critics say not only was a dissent at Jay-Z, but also meant to clarify the whole New York-club-dispute rumor. Another part of the story is that Big Pun's debut album Capital Punishment was nominated for a 1999 Best Rap Album Grammy, yet lost that award to Jay-Z's Vol. 2: Hard Knock Life album, which could possibly have sparked Pun's initial dislike of Jay-Z.

There's no reason to have a rivalry section. 50 Cent dissed countless artists on "how to rob", you mean to say that he has rivalries with Brian Mcknight, Puffy, Slick Rick, Rza, Heavy D and Kirk Franklin? He makes one reference to Pun out of a dozen people, and Pun makes one reference back, and that was the end of it. If it was a rivalry, Cuban Link (Pun's best friend) wouldn't have asked Game to be on his album when he was down with G-Unit (and when G-Unit thought about signing Link).

The Jay-Z rumor is made up. The fact that that you start the paragraph off by saying that its a story that has never been verified is reason alone to leave it out. Its an old rumor. I know its not true, but feel free to try to find citations for it somewhere (you wont because there was no rivalry or incident). I'm going to continue removing the rivalry section if you add it, wikipedia isn't a rumor mill.

Jay-Z Rumor is NOT made up. Whoo Kid discusses it as being the catalyst for a confrontation with Big Pun. http://www.thatshitbang.com/lol-whoo-kid-untold-stories-big-pun-pulling-an-uzi-out-on-him/ 72.80.131.175 (talk) 15:52, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2ITg8odSA0s <---go there....'Brooklyn niggas is hard, except Jay-Z' - Big Pun Recently released video of Pun and the whole Terror Squad chillin together... 74.107.53.64 (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Weight

The comment below was left in the article - I tried to incorpate the information. --Trödel

(Note: I'm not sure who originally wrote this, but Pun was born on November 10, not November 9. He was also never on a Raekwon album, but he did collaborate with him more than once. Finally, Pun did not have a weight problem all his life, there was a point in the early '90s when he was thin and muscular.) Trödel (talk • contribs) 02:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Birth date

Comment moved from article to here --Trödel 02:55, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

(Note: I'm not sure who originally wrote this but Pun was born on November 10, not November 9. Also he was never on a Raekwon album.) Tainted Drifter (talk • contribs)

Somebody posted it back there. I just deleted it VelocityEX 8:16 July 2 2006 (UTC)

IN THE ALBUM BOOK TO "YEEEAH BABY" IT STATES PUN'S BIRTHDAY AS 11/10/71. Tainted Drifter (talk • contribs) 04:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Legacy

"Big Pun is considered among the last real gangsta rappers and rappers in general, along with rappers such as DMX. before the Public attention turned to other rap genres such as hip-pop, dirty south rap, and the Eminem/50 Cent/G-Unit era."

This statement is heavily biased and is totally personal opinion. Big Pun and DMX are/were rap artists with plenty of popularity and acclaim but they are just 2 out of many, that they are the 'last real gangsta rappers and rappers in general' is an opinion, and has no place on the page. Also, what exactly is this 'Eminem/50 Cent/G-Unit era" ?? These artists have enjoyed popularity in mainstream culture, but I hardly think their fame represents an era of hip hop music.

Big Pun wasn't even a 'gangsta' rapper. He was known for his lyricism and flow, and though he did rap about the typical cliche's, he can't be considered a 'gangsta' rapper. Also, what the hell does DMX have to do anything here? He's a legend and one of the greatest for his lyrical compelexity, and so by talking about him being a 'gangsta' rapper, is just taking away from his legacy, and isn't the truth. JaSsa (talk • contribs) 17:43, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

WTF

Pun would become angry and self-destructive, punching holes in the walls of his family's apartment.

  • Often times he would eat the drywall that fell out as a result of stress

^ Any source or proof to varify this information? 74.74.112.232 (talk) 14:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Time Of Death

Does anyone find it interesting that Big Pun died the same day he was going to get his surgery done. Then his wife gets on a DVD talking about that he use to beat her up and try to damge his image. She also makes a statement on the DVD saying that she thought about killing him after she got pistol whipped. 161.38.223.250 (talk • contribs).

Sorry but that sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, I suppose if you isolated and looked at those circumstances together you might think theres foul play, but I honestly think that either A. shes just trying to get attention or maybe reparations from his family(?) or B. there could be some basis for his claims, im not saying Big Pun is a wifebeater but although he was a great rapper he was only human. To me there are too many 'what ifs' to start speculating if she had something to do with his death. -scass SIANI: i think she had something to do with his death it sounds kind of fishy. 208.84.251.34 (talk) 12:54, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Grammy Award

@Lemongirl942: @Magnolia677: I have started this discussion to reach a consensus for Big Pun's Grammy Award nomination. I had changed the reference after being informed IMDb is not reliable source but now that has also been reverted. If the two people who keep reverting my edit would like to assist me in finding a suitable reference? If you perform a Google search for Big Pun many websites refer to him as Grammy nominated rapper. Thanks Smush123 (talk) 19:03, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for starting this talk page discussion. The best source here should be one which is reliable and secondary (preferably a newspaper which a reputation for fact checking) and which should clearly mention the album name and the rapper's name along with the news about the Grammy nominated album (such as the nomination category). This source in LATimes satisfies all of these. satisfies most, but not the category. A better source could be the Grammy website itself. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
@Smush123: Please don't be so quick to add it. As you see here, the source doesn't say which category it was nominated for. We need to find better references. Could you please self revert? --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:17, 26 February 2017 (UTC)
The LA Times article states "Rios' first album, "Capital Punishment," released in 1998 and featuring the hit single "I Ain't a Player," debuted at No. 5 on the national sales chart and sold more than 2 million copies, making Rios the first Puerto Rican rapper to sell that many albums. It also garnered a Grammy nomination" which would leave one in little doubt what the award was for. Smush123 (talk) 14:03, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@Smush123: That is precisely what we call WP:OR. You are assuming that a rapper's album can only be nominated for Grammy Award for Best Rap Album. Since we disagree on this, what is required are sources. Bring sources here and do not edit the article unless we explicitly have consensus here. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 16:21, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@Lemongirl942: I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. The way the LA Times article is written what else could be assumed from it? The album according to the article was nominated for a Grammy and he is a rapper. I also note that you do not help further the information on this Wikipedia page, simply revert things. Could you have not perhaps included a source to get the ball rolling if you felt it wasn't sufficient? Smush123 (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@Smush123: All of us here are volunteers and we have limited time. In addition to focusing on our editing areas, we also help to maintain the quality of the encyclopaedia - ensuring that content is adequately sourced. The WP:BURDEN of adding a reliable source rests on the editor trying to add the information (and this is a policy). And this is fair. If someone is interested in add some info, they would bring a source. If they cannot bring a source or if the source doesn't verify the info, it means they probably haven't researched well enough. Adding unsourced or poorly sourced content is considered lazy editing and is disrespectful for many of us who work hard to make content verifiable. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
@Lemongirl942: I understand that everyone here is a volunteer but that doesn't stop certain groups trying to take the ideals of Wikipedia and make it into an exclusive community where they feel they own the site simply because they contribute and feel the new people or those with less frequent contributions are somehow less worthy and should be challenged at every turn. I have read a fair bit about the deletionists on here. Regarding the article we are discussing...By process of elimination the Grammy could only be nominated either for album of the year or best rap album of the year. Would it be OK to include the IMDB reference in support of the LA Times article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smush123 (talk • contribs) 17:18, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
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