Talk:Bible translations into Afrikaans
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Source with IP address as URL
[edit]I have (again) removed a source that has no domain name in the URL. The IP address cannot be readily verified as a reliable source. Additionally, most of the information in the paragraph purportedly supported by the source is not found at the link in the given citation anyway. The source refers to a Bible translation in simple language for children and only lists one of the listed authors, and is therefore of little value to the article.--Jeffro77 (talk) 12:34, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- 1. There is, as far as I can tell, no rule on Wikipedia against online sources without domain names. Also, I don't follow the logic that a domain name would make a server more reliable or verifiable. Anyone can register a domain name and attach it to a host. IPv4 IP addresses, on the other hand, are finite in number, and not freely given, so if an archive has an entire IP address for itself, wouldn't that give the server more clout than a domain name would have? As for verifiability, if you perform a whois on the IP address, you'll notice that the owner of the address (Naspers, the media giant) is also the company whose name is mentioned on the web pages (the newspaper archives) that are hosted at that IP address. 2. As for the "little value" that the two articles have, their value is simply that they are references for the text that is written in the Wikipedia article, that is independent of the book itself. -- leuce (talk) 21:28, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
- It may be the case that the server is on a network owned by the media organisation, but the archived content is little more than a 'puff piece', and contains nothing beyond statements about a Bible translation for children and one of its authors. The cited source supports almost none of "the text that is written in the Wikipedia article", and therefore adds little value. The claim that an archive has "an entire IP address for itself" is neither evidence of "clout" (any individual can set up a web server via an ISP that assigns static addresses), nor has it been established that the server is dedicated to that purpose, since the server (or group of servers) could easily contain other content. It may be suitable as a source for the second sentence of the paragraph, but only if properly cited to a particular source rather than a bare URL.--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- All your arguments against web pages without domain names apply equally to web pages with domain names :-p. Besides, the articles do support the text that is written in the Wikipedia article (look again). To make you happier, I've added a domain name. -- leuce (talk) 09:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- Supplying a domain name and applying the citations to the statement they actually support is definitely an improvement, thanks. The citations should still be improved with information such as publisher (of the news articles), issue date, etc, rather than bare URLs. See WP:CITE#Webpages.--Jeffro77 (talk) 09:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- All your arguments against web pages without domain names apply equally to web pages with domain names :-p. Besides, the articles do support the text that is written in the Wikipedia article (look again). To make you happier, I've added a domain name. -- leuce (talk) 09:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
- It may be the case that the server is on a network owned by the media organisation, but the archived content is little more than a 'puff piece', and contains nothing beyond statements about a Bible translation for children and one of its authors. The cited source supports almost none of "the text that is written in the Wikipedia article", and therefore adds little value. The claim that an archive has "an entire IP address for itself" is neither evidence of "clout" (any individual can set up a web server via an ISP that assigns static addresses), nor has it been established that the server is dedicated to that purpose, since the server (or group of servers) could easily contain other content. It may be suitable as a source for the second sentence of the paragraph, but only if properly cited to a particular source rather than a bare URL.--Jeffro77 (talk) 02:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
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2023 Contemporary Afrikaans translation
[edit]The City Bible Foundation's translation is not really in "modern" Afrikaans -- it contains many very old-fashioned words. Place names have multiple spellings across books. Chapter headings often contain spelling errors. This could be an AI generated translation that took pieces from other translations and simply spliced them together. Portions of the verses also appear to be machine translated. For example, in Phil 4.4 it says the Lord is "byderhand" (handy, on hand, close enough to be grabbed); it says "pasop vir niks" (watch out/be careful for nothing), which is an odd phrasing since it basically means that you should be utterly careless; it says "Laat julle matigheid aan alle mense bekend wees" (let your moderateness be known to all people... but the word for "moderateness" here is not typically used to describe a human characteristic: it can also mean mediocrity). I added this translation here because it is an existing translation and is published on a well-known Bible app (YouVersion), but I have my doubts about it. From the City Bible Foundation's website I get the impression that they bulk-publish Bible products in a variety of languages but with very little quality control. -- leuce (talk) 13:51, 3 January 2024 (UTC)