Talk:Bharat Jodo Yatra

Proposed merge of Draft:Bharat Jodo Yatra into Bharat Jodo Yatra

Draft has more information than article. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:25, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Merge complete Ok123l (talk) 12:28, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Translated article to Hindi

I've translated this article to Hindi: https://hi.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%AD%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%A4_%E0%A4%9C%E0%A5%8B%E0%A4%A1%E0%A4%BC%E0%A5%8B_%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%BE%E0%A4%A4%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%B0%E0%A4%BE Ok123l (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Media coverage

needs a new section. 2405:201:D01B:60BC:1D25:AC0B:793A:1945 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

I mean, all the content we put in here is come from media only, isnt it? Ok123l (talk) 14:46, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes but, A new section is needed to explain how media houses react to Congress' Bharat Jodo Yatra. Create subsection under Reactions from other parties. 2405:201:D01B:600B:DBE:EFA8:AD51:8426 (talk) 14:59, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123:, consider renaming the Misinformation section as media coverage. 2405:201:D01B:6063:4968:F677:8445:2084 (talk) 12:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

its only misinformation in that section, not any factual media coverage Ok123l (talk) 08:46, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Infobox event

Need {{Infobox event}}, or another suitable template . 2405:201:D01B:60BC:1D25:AC0B:793A:1945 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, I will be working on it Ok123l (talk) 14:47, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Progress

need a Subarticle to list state and date-wise progress. like:

Main article: Timeline of the Bharat Jodo Yatra

Tamil Nadu

• 2 September 2022 Tamil Nadu chief minister M K Stalin launched Congress MP Rahul Gandhi's Bharat Jodo Yatra from Gandhi Mandapam in Kanyakumari. The yatra is expected to cover a distance of 3570 km, across 12 states and two Union territories.

References

Kerala

• 12 September 2022 2405:201:D01B:60BC:1D25:AC0B:793A:1945 (talk) 14:14, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

its not needed, atleast not now, maybe we'll do something like that at the end of the yatra, plus the page doesn't exist, so is currently not needed Ok123l (talk) 14:45, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

No need to create a timeline article. Create a section here if needed. --Venkat TL (talk) 15:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Since this is an ongoing event, provide daily updates for now in the progress section. 2405:201:D01B:600B:DBE:EFA8:AD51:8426 (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

It's better to create a separate page if you're gonna do daily updates @2405:201:D01B:600B:DBE:EFA8:AD51:8426 Ok123l (talk) 18:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

@Editor5454: Your presence is needed here 2405:201:D01B:6075:3DC4:A2F0:C066:AD4D (talk) 14:06, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

The event is neither of international significance that it requires a day-to-day update nor is Wikipedia a current-affairs or propaganda website. A user also seems to be adding even the schedule of the following two days; doesn't qualify under WP:NOT. Further, the timeline is being presented in the present and not past tense, that's problematic too. Separate sections for months or the states the march had passed could be made — better for comprehension and would suit the encyclopedic format. Also, the content should be in past tense. Thanks! Editor5454 (talk) 02:24, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

@Editor5454: This {{Copy edit}} helps? 2405:201:D01B:6063:4968:F677:8445:2084 (talk) 13:11, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

See also

@Curvasingh, why are you putting Ram Rath Yatra and the Long March in "See also"? Ram Rath Yatra was totally opposite ideologically from Bharat Jodo, and the long March was just a military retreat, so these both don't deserve to be in here. Also please properly format your sources. Thank you. Ok123l (talk) 07:19, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for the article!.

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 16:24, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Incidents

Consolidate the Incidents section into Controversies or Timelines. 2405:201:D01B:6063:4968:F677:8445:2084 (talk) 12:47, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

'Divisive politics'

@Ok123l, the source you provided is about a clash in UK, not related to this protest. Kpddg ^(talk) 10:41, 13 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg it mentions and talks a little about divisive politics in India. Ok123l (talk) 10:13, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Ok123l, But it is not related to the subject of this article. Kpddg ^(talk) 15:41, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

I know, but it confirms the assertion. Ok123l (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

New Images

@Ok123, Venkat TL,, and Editor5454: Include an image of Rahul Gandhi in the infobox, as well as some group photos of Padayartis in the participants section. 2405:201:D01B:6074:85F0:BE68:5717:46F8 (talk) 14:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

Progress section

@JTF2020 I see you've been adding new themes for the yatra in the Progress section. While I do think it is okay, is it really worth adding themes which just last for 1 day? I mean this section might be too long for an average reader by the end of this event. Open to opinions from other editors. Ok123l (talk) 10:12, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, am adding those in the Progress section (not in any other that might imply they are broader Yatra themes) because IMHO, progress of this event is marked by both the distance covered, daily and over time, and the issues the participants consciously choose to highlight, even if for just a day. The ones I did add are not daily ones but a few that seem worth a line or two. JTF2020 (talk) 10:40, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see, please just make sure it isn't so large as that it would not be user-friendly and make the article hard to read. Thanks. Ok123l (talk) 16:01, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Apologies, @Ok123l, didn't track this thread. The length of that section is more to do with a sort of daily "journal" that's been included - most of it appears non-notable and unnecessary. That sub-section might benefit from significant trimming. JTF2020 (talk) 05:27, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, @JTF2020, I have tried to trim it but IPs keep reverting it. I have requested this page for protection to prevent this. Ok123l (talk) 08:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Bharat Jodo Yatra Anthem

create a new article/redirect for Bharat Jodo Yatra Anthem. 2405:201:D01B:608A:51EB:4CFD:E80C:83F8 (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

@2405:201:D01B:608A:51EB:4CFD:E80C:8EFE, you can 1 page for requests on a topic, instead of separate sections for specific requests, as it clutters the page. Ok123l (talk) 15:52, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

List of Bharat Jodo Padyatris

create a new article/redirect for List of Bharat Jodo Padyatris. 2405:201:D01B:608A:51EB:4CFD:E80C:83F8 (talk) 14:47, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Trim article

The article is too long, has a lot of unnecessary subheadings, need to trim it, especially timeline section. I think we should trim timeline into showing weekly updates instead of daily. Ok123l (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

Up until the very end, don't worry about length; after that, cut it or make separate articles. 2405:201:D01B:60FB:3461:8CC2:31AF:3417 (talk) 13:39, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123l remove minor things. Summarize the section. Venkat TL (talk) 14:28, 16 October 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL i will trim timeline soon Ok123l (talk) 09:46, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Planning group is not encyclopedic and should be in the event's official website. Please refer to WP:VNOT and WP:NOTDIRECTORY. As for casualties, they are regularly not in event pages like this. Maybe add them into infobox which has section for it. Ok123l (talk) 09:37, 17 October 2022 (UTC)

Planning group

The IP 2405:201:d01b:6146:8d1a:485e:f96a:f6bc wants to add the "Central planning group" in the article which breaches Wikipedia:ONUS and Wikipedia:NOTDIRECTORY, this should be in the official event of the website, not wikipedia. He also wont let me trim anything and keeps reverting them back. Pinging for opinion @Venkat TL @Dhruv edits @JTF2020 @Kpddg Ok123l (talk) 04:45, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Ok123l There has been back and forth reverts over this content dispute. First of all, get the page semi protected, and then try to achieve a consensus on the talk page. Dhruv edits (talk) 06:25, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dhruv edits I have requested the page for protection. Ok123l (talk) 08:30, 21 October 2022 (UTC)

Requests for page protection Declined [1]] 2405:201:D01B:692B:F8D2:8241:3263:340A (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection/Archive/2022/10#22_October_2022, IP range blocked. Ok123l (talk) 05:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

@Dhruv edits page has been successfully semiprotected. Ok123l (talk) 11:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Declined semi-protection after commenting: "Likely collateral damage as one or several users who are making improvements would be affected by the requested protection. Most of the editing by IPs that I see appears to be constructive.' But user Daniel Case is semi-protected. Where to question this? 2405:201:D01B:60BA:690D:7337:DB82:31A9 (talk) 13:24, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Looks like the IP attempted to falsify such a comment in the archives: [2] - MrOllie (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing that out @MrOllie. Ok123l (talk) 12:10, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

Timeline

Is early trimming needed or not? 2405:201:D01B:692B:F8D2:8241:3263:340A (talk) 13:42, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

@Venkat TL @Dhruv edits please express your opinions Ok123l (talk) 05:21, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

Casualties

Is a section required or not? 2405:201:D01B:692B:F8D2:8241:3263:340A (talk)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2022

Add to media section
3,500 kilometres, but no one is looking. How Big Media botched its coverage of the Bharat Jodo Yatra was discussed by Kalpana Sharma in "Newslaundry Media." [3] [4] [5] 2405:201:D01B:60BD:493A:C7E0:B1E4:874F (talk) 13:40, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format Kpddg ^(talk) 15:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: It mentioned 'Add to media section' in the request. 2405:201:D01B:6957:2051:65D4:D0C0:E9E5 (talk) 13:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, but what exactly is it that you want to add? Kindly specify. Kpddg ^(talk) 13:23, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

start from 3500 ... or add some from that links 2405:201:D01B:6957:2051:65D4:D0C0:E9E5 (talk) 13:51, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Requests for comment

Currently, there are three open RfCs here, and it looks like two of them weren't even simply discussed prior to opening those RfCs. I would suggest withdrawing the two which were not discussed and instead just holding that discussion. If it really does come to an impasse after discussion, that's the time to hold an RfC, and it would also be better to condense them into one RfC, not three. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 14:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

@Seraphimblade: The RfCs were created by an IP that has been blocked for sockpuppetry. I will remove the bad RfCs. – dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 19:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Moreover, they were malformed: none had a WP:RFCCAT, so each produced a big red error message; and the three {{rfc}} tags were all added in the same edit, in contravention of WP:RFC#Multiple simultaneous RfCs on one page, and therefore Legobot (talk · contribs) had zero chance to process each one before the next was added, with the result that they all got the same |rfcid= and so only one of them got added to the RfC listings. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

timeline

@Curvasingh please also put week 7 events, leaving 1 week looks very weird and out of context. Ok123l (talk) 12:03, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

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Neutrality issue

The article reads like a promotional piece on the personal website of the Congress party. The article sounds like written and expended majorly by the PR team of Congress party and should be tagged with Template:POV and should be rewritten by a third party from a neutral point of view. 113.193.45.245 (talk) 16:22, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

The "Fake News" section is one-sided. It is missing fake news spread by the leaders of the Congress party itself such as this and many more so where is the neutrality? 113.193.45.245 (talk) 16:32, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 17:05, 11 December 2022 (UTC)

@Cannolis: As mentioned in my request above, please tag the article with "Template:POV" as per WP:NPOV because neutrality is not maintained and it sounds edited by users with a conflict of interest. 113.193.45.245 (talk) 03:44, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Seems like it's not going to happen so I have created a neutral page on Bharatpedia instead ;). 113.193.45.245 (talk) 15:14, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

113.193.45.245 I have added information about the article you mentioned. Ok123l (talk) 08:59, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

BJ Yatra

Plz add this

The foot march of the Congress MP was labelled as Congress’ attempt to reconnect with the masses. Though he was seen walking during this Yatra, this tour of the Gandhi scion was no less than a luxury on wheels. The ‘foot march’ was also accompanied by a convoy of 59 containers, which were colour coded as per the availability of beds. The Congress leaders slept in these containers, which were mounted on trucks. They camped on the roadsides, ate food made by the cooking staff, and got clean laundry once every 3 days. BlackOrchidd (talk) 11:50, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Illusion Flame (talk) 11:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Illusion Flame plz see this reference https://www.theweek.in/news/india/2022/09/07/118-yatris-59-trucks-to-accompany-rahul-gandhi-in-bharat-jodo-yatra.html BlackOrchidd (talk) 07:30, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

Timeline section

The Timeline article was sent to AFD with a consensus to merge into this article. I currently do not see any details in that article that need to be copied over, so just redirecting. Anyone else can feel free to add details if they find any.

Right now I think even the current timeline section is too long and does not follow WP:NOTNEWS and we should significantly trim or reduce it. I will probably attack it soon. Soni (talk) 12:14, 25 May 2024 (UTC)

I have finished cutting the majority of WP:PUFF from the timeline. The article still needs a bunch of work, but it's a lot more readable I think Soni (talk) 08:37, 27 May 2024 (UTC)