Talk:Better Call Saul season 5
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Reviewer: Heartfox (talk · contribs) 03:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Review forthcoming. Heartfox (talk) 03:57, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The ten-episode season was broadcast on Mondays at 9:00 pm (Eastern) in the United States on AMC; excluding the premiere episode which was broadcast on a Sunday.
suggest reword to "The ten-episode season was broadcast on Mondays at 9:00 pm (Eastern), except for the premiere which aired on a Sunday." (AMC and United States are already in the previous sentence).
spin-off prequel
MOS:SEAOFBLUE
Breaking Bad created by Vince Gilligan
suggest addition of "and" between "Breaking Bad" and "created"
, also taking place in 2004; four years
in 2004, four years
in the wake of Chuck's death
who is Chuck?
struggling with his killing
whose killing? (I'm not sure who is being referred to)
- ref 1 not needed in lead
the fifth season received universal acclaim from critics
can some more detail be added to this sentence/what stood out to critics
- could the "see also" link go below the cast and characters header as it relates to not only the main characters
liaison to Gus Fring; reprising her role from Breaking Bad.
;restaurants; reprising his role from Breaking Bad.
are there sources for the fact they reprised their roles?
Hector's nephews, Tuco's cousins, brutal Juarez cartel hitmen.
this reads odd
- I believe the poster's non-free image rationale should be completed
- link Sony Pictures Television
Gould said they were still in
the series co-creator Peter Gould said they were still in
AMC renewed Better Call Saul
suggest linking AMC and Better Caul Saul as their both stated out of the lead for the first time
AMC confirmed that the fifth season would have ten episodes with the November 2019 announcement of the season premiere on February 23, 2020 with a special two-episode showing on consecutive days before returns to a normal weekly release schedule
suggest rephrasing
prior to airing the fifth season, AMC also announced they had green-lighted Better Call Saul for a final, 13-episode season
I don't see this as necessary
- I think the writing quote could be paraphrased. It feels kind of lazy for an entire section to just be one quote idk
- is there any reason some cast has refs while others don't?
and Gus Fring.
and Gus Fring, respectively.
- ABQ Journal appears to be url-access=subscription
- IBTtimes (ref 18) is considered generally unreliable per WP:RSPSOURCES
Jimmy is hiding
Jimmy hides
In the first scene of the season, Jimmy is hiding his real identity under his Gene Takavic alias while working at a Cinnabon in a shopping mall in Omaha, Nebraska.
source?
- newscastic (ref 19) doesn't appear to be reliable
- notes are all unsourced (I think av media will suffice)
- add author-link=Mitch Metcalf to refs
- episode 5 summary should be cut by 7 words if possible
In the United States, the season debuted with a two-night premiere, on Sunday, February 23, 2020, before returning to its regular time slot on Monday, February 24
rephrase to "In the United States, the season debuted with a two-night premiere on Sunday, February 23, 2020, and Monday, February 24, where it returned to its regular timeslot.
- ref 5 notes it premiered following the walking dead; that could be mentioned. the actual timeslot could also be stated, as it is in the lead.
AMC had run
"ran" or "aired"
- link marathon (media)
would result in a worse show."
quote inside period; not a full sentence given (MOS:LQ)
Outside the U.S. in certain international markets, like previous seasons, season 5 was
In certain international markets, like previous seasons, the fifth was
- link YouTube
This series follows similar series
It follows similar series
for the 72nd
at the 72nd
by critics
from television critics.
the best reviewed Better Call Saul season on the site
not in source
- Done Removed. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
the highest score of all seasons of the series
not in source
- Done Removed. Drovethrughosts (talk) 19:38, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
The final few episodes of the season were particularly highly regarded by critics
only 1 critic is at the end of this sentence though- per MOS:TVRECEPTION, "Reviews should be paraphrased as much as possible" (excluding Rotten Tomatoes summary)
- I'm not sure ref 45 indicates acclaim
as Kim during the fifth season was
as Kim were
- @Heartfox: I think this was removed. I can't find it anywhere. The Optimistic One (talk) 18:49, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
was highly praised
only 1 source is cited- can you go through the reviews again? for an entire season the section is kind of small. there's 42 available on RT; probably some good ones not used in the article yet
- change "For the" to "At the"
Rhea Seehorn is nominated
Rhea Seehorn was nominated
nominations–
suggest changing to colon
- it received 4 nominations, but more than 4 are listed?
- Done It received 4 for the Primetime Emmys, but further noms for the Creative Arts Emmys. I clarified this. Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:08, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- link deadline to Deadline Hollywood in ref 1
- link vulture
- vulture is url-access=limited
- link l'officiel
- link tvline
- fandango not necessary to mention unless you want to add publishers for all other refs
- i would personally italicize cnn as it's the website being cited
- Done Drovethrughosts (talk) 18:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Comments above. Heartfox (talk) 04:28, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One: Heartfox (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One and Drovethrughosts: please let me know if you have any concerns with unanswered suggestions above. I'm flexible; just looking to close review soon. Thanks! Heartfox (talk) 03:43, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One and Drovethrughosts: please address these suggestions within 7 days; comments below. Thanks, Heartfox (talk) 06:17, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
- the poster's non-free use rationale should be completed, not "n/a"
- Heartfox: I don't know how to do this part. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One: you could look at other Good/Featured Articles and see. Heartfox (talk) 02:27, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Heartfox: I don't know how to do this part. The Optimistic One (talk) 02:06, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
- Vince Gilligan is noted in the lead... but not in the actual article?
- Gould is referred to as co-showrunner in the lead but co-creator in the body. I'd stick to the latter.
- please remove the block quote in the writing section and paraphrase/shorten it.
- some of the review quotes could/should be paraphrased
similar acclaim
how can it be described as acclaimed if there's only 1 ref relating to 1 reviewer
was highly praised
only 1 source is cited
- link the works in the footnotes in the notes section
- Heartfox: Apart from this, which is something I don't exactly know how to do. I've done everything else a few days ago. Is it ready to be passed? Thanks! The Optimistic One (talk) 00:53, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
The Optimistic One, this is nothing against you or the article, but because I know nothing about the series and haven't watched anything related to it I'd like to seek a second opinion of someone more familiar with the contents who can possibly provide comments on that subject or the article as a whole. Thanks for your patience. Heartfox (talk) 07:06, 18 December 2020 (UTC)
- No worries. The Optimistic One (talk) 20:15, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Heartfox: this second opinion request is asking for somebody to read through the article and check that all the summary of fictional content is accurate, right? My memory is imperfect but I have seen this season (and the rest of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad) so I can check that things are at least broadly true. Would anything further be required? — Bilorv (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: do you mind checking it over? Heartfox (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- Read through the lead, "Cast and characters" and "Episodes" and just have three comments:
Nacho tells Mike Lalo wants Nacho to burn down one Gus’ restaurants
should beNacho tell Mike that Lalo wants Nacho to burn down one of Gus' restaurants
.Mike tells Jimmy his post-traumatic stress will pass with time
shouldn't use the phrase "post-traumatic stress" because I don't believe Mike does.
pro bono
is sometimes italicized, sometimes not.
- Other than this, the descriptions are all accurate to how I remember the characters and events. — Bilorv (talk) 10:47, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One: can these changes be made? @Heartfox: is this the sort of second opinion you were looking for? Sorry for failing to give notifications, forgot about this one for a few days. — Bilorv (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: Yeah, sure. Just noticed this now. Thanks! The Optimistic One (talk) 21:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, these have been addressed. @Heartfox: can this now be passed? — Bilorv (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv and The Optimistic One: the fair use rationale for the poster remains incomplete. Heartfox (talk) 01:11, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Alright, these have been addressed. @Heartfox: can this now be passed? — Bilorv (talk) 23:01, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Bilorv: Yeah, sure. Just noticed this now. Thanks! The Optimistic One (talk) 21:33, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- @The Optimistic One: can these changes be made? @Heartfox: is this the sort of second opinion you were looking for? Sorry for failing to give notifications, forgot about this one for a few days. — Bilorv (talk) 21:25, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
- Read through the lead, "Cast and characters" and "Episodes" and just have three comments:
- @Bilorv: do you mind checking it over? Heartfox (talk) 03:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
- @Heartfox: this second opinion request is asking for somebody to read through the article and check that all the summary of fictional content is accurate, right? My memory is imperfect but I have seen this season (and the rest of Better Call Saul and Breaking Bad) so I can check that things are at least broadly true. Would anything further be required? — Bilorv (talk) 00:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
Darren Franich of Entertainment Weekly gave the first few episodes a positive review, saying "Better Call Saul, in the early going of its fifth and penultimate season, remains the picture of white-knuckled but real restraint."
... quote not in source? Heartfox (talk) 01:18, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- Fixed Quote was from this source. Some Dude From North Carolinawanna talk? 01:12, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Jen Chaney of Vulture said that the fifth season made viewing a more "nerve-wracking experience than usual, in the best, albeit still anxiety-provoking way.
... how/in what way? Heartfox (talk) 01:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
The final few episodes of the season were highlighted by some critics
... "some critics", but only one is cited?
Rhea Seehorn's performance as Kim during the fifth season was given praise
... by who/if only from ref 53 than that should be said, avoid just saying "given praise". it theoretically could have been given negative reviews too. Heartfox (talk) 01:24, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Heartfox: The rest of your suggestions have been addressed. Some Dude From North Carolinawanna talk? 01:23, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
while Libby Hill of IndieWire referred to her as the "unsung hero" of the series.
— how can an article from May 2019 be used to describe her performance in the fifth season which was not released until 2020?Alan Sepinwall of Rolling Stones
... Rolling Stoneis "to try to leverage all the contacts he has in the world of selling drop phones." He also posed a question about Saul's reputation "as not just a criminal lawyer but a criminal lawyer?" And also asked what would it mean "to him at this point?".
— reread this sentence pls. MOS:LQ issues and "And" is capitalized? what are drop phones? (wikilink)said that the episode "Bagman" was the most "challenging" episode he has had to direct so far
— how/in what way? the reader hasn't read the source
I realize that I was not as timely with comments as I should have been, but every time I come back to this article I feel like I find more stuff that's just a bit off. I just feel at this point that no one has re-read it in its entirety to find basic issues. I'm not going to fail the article as there are good parts, but I don't feel like continuing to act as the reviewer here so I'm going to have to withdraw, and preferably someone with more subject matter expertise can take it on. Sorry, Heartfox (talk) 07:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 16:11, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolinawanna talk? 16:11, 4 February 2021 (UTC)
Infobox and lead
[edit]- Infobox looks good.
- Nice to hear!
- Is there a reason why Bob Odenkirk is the only actor who has his character after his name in the first paragraph?
- Sorted
- "Vince Gilligan, co-creator Peter Gould" → "Vince Gilligan; co-creator Peter Gould"
- Done
- Link "fourth" to Better Call Saul (season 4).
- Done
- Per consistency with the lead, add the names of the actors who portrayed Walter White and Jesse Pinkman in parentheses.
- Link Saul Goodman.
- Add (Odenkirk) to the first mention of his character.
Cast and characters
[edit]- "recently reinstated to the New Mexico bar association, now practices" → "an attorney recently reinstated to the New Mexico bar association who now practices"
- Done
- In the caption of the second image, add a comma before "and".
- Done
- "consultant, "fixer"" → "consultant and "fixer""
- Done
- Actually, a lot of descriptions are missing "and"s between each "profession". Add them.
- Done
- Link "third season" to Better Call Saul (season 3).
- In #Recurring, is there a reason why some characters have references and others don't?
- Any characters that have references were added before the season began airing, because we needed to source for any upcoming appearances. Characters that don't are simply ones that were added to the list after the season began airing. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:50, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Some characters, such as "Drama Girl" and "Sound Guy", should be in lowercase per MOS:TVCAST and some rules in WP:FILMCAST.
Production
[edit]- "the series co-creator" → "series co-creator"
- Done
- Are the last two sentences in #Development all necessary since it's already in #Broadcast? Maybe just mention that "In November 2019, AMC confirmed that the fifth season would have ten episodes and would debut on February 23, 2020".
- Done
- Is #Writing just quotes? If no more information can be found, I would merge it with #Development.
- Done
- Is the "And also" a new sentence, or a part of the one before it? Sentences shouldn't start with and.
- Done
- Since Jimmy McGill is currently linked in #Writing, I would link the rest of the characters in #Casting.
- Combine both paragraphs in #Development.
- "On what to expect in the fifth season, series co-creator Peter Gould" → "On what to expect in the fifth season, Gould"
- Due to the recent changes, the last sentence in #Development doesn't seem necessary so I would remove it.
Episodes
[edit]- Reword the sentence "Nacho reveals to Gus Lalo's plan for Domingo".
- Done
- Remove the commas after "unnerved by the offer" and "fought with".
- Done
- "DEA find the three dead" → "DEA finds the three dead"
- Done
- "Mesa Verde business" → "Mesa Verde's business"
- Done
- The description of episode 8 is 201 words, failing MOS:TVPLOT.
- Done
- "as decoy" → "as a decoy"
Broadcast
[edit]- Link Breaking Bad.
- Done
- Link AMC Networks.
Ethics Training with Kim Wexler
[edit]- Link the phase "Outstanding Short Form Comedy or Drama Series" to Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Short Form Comedy or Drama Series.
Reception
[edit]- Update Rotten Tomaotes.
- Comment: Generally website names are italicized. Do you wan them un-italicized in prose but leave them as in the cite templates because they are automatically italicized in the reference templates. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- The references are ok since you're using "|website=", but since the Wiki-articles aren't in italics, I suggest that the websites are un-italicized in prose.
- "The Ringer" → "The Ringer"
- See comment above. Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:48, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
- Try reducing the use of quotes per WP:RECEPTION.
- "Alan Sepinwall of Rolling Stone described her as the "MVP of Better Call Saul".[53] Brian Tallerico of Rolling Stone referred to Seehorn's work" → "Both from Rolling Stone, Alan Sepinwall described her as the "MVP of Better Call Saul",[53] and Brian Tallerico referred to Seehorn's work"
- The phrase "appeared to be "breaking bad" herself on her last scene" needs rewording.
- Combine the last two paragraphs in #Critical_response together.
- The "total (18-49)" rating for "Namaste" should be 0.8, not 0.7.
- The "DVR (18-49)" rating for "Wexler v. Goodman" should be 0.5, not 0.6.
Accolades
[edit]- Since the award nominations table is getting a lot bigger, make #Accolades its own section.
- Add a hatnote to List of awards and nominations received by Better Call Saul.
- Per consistency with other tables, and other lists such as List of awards and nominations received by Better Call Saul, link the nominees every time they are mentioned.
- The references column should be centered.
- "Better Call Saul: Ethics Training with Kim Wexler" → "Employee Training: Legal Ethics With Kim Wexler"
References
[edit]- Archive all archivable sources (I recommend using this).
- Mark references from Rolling Stone with "|url-access=limited".
- Mark references from Forbes with "|url-access=limited".
- Make sure all references have their websites linked to their Wiki-articles.
Overview
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