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May 14, 2020	Good article nominee	Not listed
June 9, 2020	Good article nominee	Listed
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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on October 11, 2010. The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Benson raft (pictured) was a huge sea-going log raft designed to transport millions of board-feet of timber at a time through the open ocean?
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Pictures

This article should really only have one or two pictures, not every available picture of the raft. Since the photographs exist on Wikimedia Commons, please utilize the Commons template. The³5₉ (Talk) 06:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rubbish. What's the problem in having so many photos? It's not like we are short of space here. Each of the photos has something unique and informative to it. A gallery is fine.

Every photograph ever is unique. That does not mean they are all necessary in a relatively short article. Some images are informative, but most are redundant or easily explained by text. This is an encyclopedia, not an image gallery. Please see Manual of Style - Images. The³5₉ (Talk) 07:27, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In this particular case, the unusual nature of the topic (the assembly of large numbers of logs into a single sea-going raft) probably justifies more photos than usual. The photo gallery does illustrate the process.Mtsmallwood (talk) 11:01, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Propulsion

I came here to ask for more inofrmation about how the rafts were propelled - towed by tug? 81.147.147.215 (talk) 06:50, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In answer to the person asking about how the rafts were propelled, it seems from the photos that they were treated as a barge and pushed, rather than pulled. By so doing, the barge may be steered by the 'pusher' engines with a higher degree of control than can be applied by simply towing a non-steering mass. I hope this makes things more clear. You might have a look in the appropriate portal for more information about barges, especially those on the major rivers of the world, and those in the Gulf of Mexico. Best Regards, Drieux 07:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drieux (talk • contribs)

Some of the picture captions say:

Sternwheeler pushing Benson raft ca 1906
Benson sea-going log raft being pushed down Columbia River
Steamers "Shaver" and "Henderson" pushing log raft

I think they were mostly pushed.--Doug Coldwell ^talk 20:34, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Till...

Are these rafts still being launched? When was the last one launched? This article leaves me curious as to the success and fate of the project72.201.219.8 (talk) 11:15, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article does answer the question with: The operation went on until 1941 with over 120 log rafts built...

Additionally it says: There were only four of these sea-going log rafts lost, due to fire or storms. --Doug Coldwell ^talk 11:29, 11 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But, what the article does not really address is, why are Benson rafts no longer used, if they were so efficient?72.94.182.41 (talk) 02:27, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Economic reality altered. The roads back then were enough to cause almost anything that could be shipped via water to be so sent. Since the late 1930s, the roads from/to the Pacific Northwest have improved by orders of magnitude. Also in that same interval, the local timbering industry in SoCal has dropped the price on common lumber and tree products well below the point where only specialty products can compete. Best regards Drieux 17:29, 12 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drieux (talk • contribs)

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Copyright contributor investigation and Good article reassessment

This article is part of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20210315 and the Good article (GA) drive to reassess and potentially delist over 200 GAs that might contain copyright and other problems. An AN discussion closed with consensus to delist this group of articles en masse, unless a reviewer opens an independent review and can vouch for/verify content of all sources. Please review Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/February 2023 for further information about the GA status of this article, the timeline and process for delisting, and suggestions for improvements. Questions or comments can be made at the project talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:36, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]