Talk:Benjamin F. McAdoo

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The result was: promoted by DimensionalFusion talk 19:12, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Benjamin F. McAdoo was the first Black architect licensed in the state of Washington?

• Source: https://www.seattletimes.com/pacific-nw-magazine/the-lasting-legacy-of-benjamin-f-mcadoo-jr-the-first-black-architect-registered-in-washington/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tatto Suwarto Pamuji

Created by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 70 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:53, 16 August 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough (moved to mainspace yesterday), long enough, hook is sourced, WP:EARWIG says "Violation Unlikely", and QPQ is done. Seems good to me! Di (they-them) (talk) 14:58, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

GA Review

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Nominator: Generalissima (talk · contribs) 23:30, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Premeditated Chaos (talk · contribs) 04:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Dibsing. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 04:26, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Kinda feel like buddy here is FA-able so I'm approaching this from an FA-quality standpoint.

Lead

• I made some light tweaks to the lead mostly to get rid of extraneous commas and unnecessary "began"s.
• I notice there's a few other "began"s through the article, which can often be written out. "Began" implies that the start of the action matters for some reason, as opposed to just the action happening in general. I'd take a look and see if you can remove any without changing the meaning
• In the lead, "The first Black architect to practice in Washington state" is redundant to "He became the first licensed African American architect in the state of Washington" later in the same paragraph
• "His career was heavily boosted" - passive voice here, and I'm not sure you need "heavily"
• "was declared the "Home of the Year" by..." passive voice again

Early life

• "to Alfaretta DeRoussel and Benjamin F. McAdoo, Sr., the eldest of their four children" I might use a semicolon (or even a period) instead of a comma, and add "he was the"
• "one of a few neighborhoods tolerating black renters due to redlining practices" - this makes it sound like redlining is what makes the neighborhood open to black renters, but it's kind of the opposite
• Suggest linking Right to housing
• "ultimately forced to withdraw" - you can ditch "ultimately" and retain the same meaning
• " for the South East Housing Architects" - South East Housing Architects is a company name, so I'd remove "the", unless you want to go the other way and add "company" or "organization" to the end of the phrase"
• "He ultimately chose to enroll in UW, due" ditch ultimately and the comma here

Architectural practice

• "In June 1947, he received his first full commission soon after founding his practice," not sure it's necessary to say the "soon after..." bit
• "he moved into the city proper in 1949" Since we were just talking about Browning, I might use "McAdoo" here instead of "he"
• "with Phillips coverage" could probably safely use "with her coverage"
• "and would ultimately be featured ten times in Phillips' columns" - that specific house would be featured 10 times, or he himself would be featured 10 times
• "design for the Kenneth & Kimi Ota house, a Japanese-American family" - lightly awkward phrasing, as the house isn't a Japanese American family. "for the house of" maybe, but that does make linking a bit goofy
• "a strong focus on" strong is a bit redundant to focus here, since definitionally a focus means having a strong interest in
• The above sentence also needs individual references; it don't think it's explicitly stated in either the Wa. History or Arcade source, so I don't think we can rely on those to back it up
• Also, I don't see any indication in the Wa. Hist source that the Ben Mar Apts were low-income housing, so I'm not sure they belong in a paragraph devoted to this. They're multi-family and racially open, but that doesn't automatically make them low-income.
• [1] this Federal Housing Administration book has a crappy but possibly useful photo of the Ben Mar Apts
• Wa. Hist gives some interesting detail on McAdoo's move into Montlake and the difficulties he experienced there; while not required at the GA level, it's worth mentioning if you want to go to FA. Even if you don't go into detail, you may want to mention the move from Madrona to Montlake, because right now the first mention of Montlake is him leaving it
• Since we know the date he moved, why not include it?
• "seeking to live closer to nature and take advantage of larger, less expensive properties" this whole phrase is a bit too close to the source
• Source says "may have" whereas we say "no restrictions", I think we need to soften accordingly
• Wa. Hist doesn't seem to mention the Bothell residence at all, but it's used as a source here

Overseas to end of article

• "were ultimately unsuccessful" can ditch ultimately here and at the end of the section also, it adds a word without enhancing the meaning
• "he did architectural for the" - assume this is meant to say "architectural work"?
• "Even during" You can ditch "even"
• "would go on to" - can go with "constructed", since we're giving a timespan later in the sentence
• It's interesting that he was licensed in Alaska, Montana, and Oregon - did he ever do any work there?

Spot checks on sourcing turned up some notes, as mentioned above. Images are appropriately used and freely licensed. No concerns about CV, POV, etc. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:35, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Premeditated Chaos: Okay! Did all the little fixes. Re the question on his out of state licenses, this is annoyingly not elaborated on in the sources! Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 03:15, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Looking good here! Ping me if/when you FAC this :) ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:23, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

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