Talk:Ben Swann/Archives/2018/May

Investigative journalist

The lead is pretty generous when it calls this character an "investigative journalist". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:50, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

I hadn't noticed how weak the sourcing is on this. Can we do better? I'm not finding much. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 17:08, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

There doesn’t seem to be that much about him in RS. Maggie Haberman called him a "conspiracy-minded journalist", but only in a headline.[1] The Daily Beast said he aired: "pseudo-investigative reports of elaborate conspiracies" and generally criticized his claims of investigations.[2] The two terms "investigative journalist" and "conspiracy theorist" are tied in a way. If he just regurgitated conspiracy theories, he's probably neither a theorist nor investigator. I think it's difficult to justify use of either the positive or negative term. O3000 (talk) 20:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Edward R. Murrow Award-winning

Does anyone in addition to Bucksburg think we should describe Swann as "Edward R. Murrow Award-winning" in the first sentence of the article? It strikes me as grossly undue and smacks of promotion, even if that's not the intent. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 18:21, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

THanks for explaining DrFleischman. No, it doesn't have to go in the first sentence, if we don't do that for other biographies. But something that significant shouldn't be buried at the end of all the negative stuff. Maybe the second sentence, like this bio? "Richard Schiff (born May 27, 1955) is an American actor and television director and producer. He is an Emmy Award winning actor."Bucksburg (talk) 00:17, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it merits inclusion in the lead section. It's barely mentioned by reliable sources. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 02:42, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

I'll also add that there are many different Edward R. Murrow Awards and I can't figure out which one he received. Some of them are pretty small potatoes. --Dr. Fleischman (talk) 02:48, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

The award in question is definitely not the major Edward R. Murrow Award. The major Murrow award is from the Edward R. Murrow College of Communication of Washington State University—only one is given each year. Walter Cronkite, Ted Kopple, Christians Amanpour, and Bernard Shaw are among the honorees. I don't even find a reliable source for the RTNDA Murrow award, just the promotional cv that blurbed Swann's hiring at a station earlier in his career. The RTNDA website doesn't even maintain a list of the dozens of Murrow awards it issues each year. What is due is that Swann had been suspended from the Atlanta CBS affiliate for a "Pizzagate" segment he produced prior to his firing for attempting to bring back his Reality Check production. [3] . I would argue that the events of 2017—2018 are more germane than the 2004 RTNDA award. Neonorange (talk) 01:57, 18 February 2018 (UTC)