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"Mass-album articles employ this header", I can't find them. Many notable albums of this year does not employ them.
MOS:ALBUM, although is outdated, says nothing about the header. Despite that, as I said, it repeats information in the header cells, plus it currently only has one row, making it absolutely redundant. Hayman30 (talk) 15:02, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It does not make it "absolutely redundant," because by that argument, the entire article mentioning anything within said-table or any infobox would be "absolutely redundant" to the article. If wanted, I could list multiple album articles that do use this setup. And, if anything, this discussion should ultimately be something discussed at either the Album Project or the manual of style for the project, as this is something that will undoubtably affect mass-articles, and should include a larger number of editors in this discussion, to help avoid difference of views. livelikemusictalk!15:15, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Hayman30 and Livelikemusic: Hi there! Personally, I think that Hayman30 is right. Basically, tables should not be cluttered, and table headers are in any way useless (since they are pure repetition), and do not have any benefit to the section, and then article, content. カビル (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Hayman30 and Livelikemusic: Hello. I saw that MOS:DTAB that captions (the one with "|+ [caption text]" on the tables) help alongside the headers ("! scope="col" | [column header]") for accessibility, even though some may find it redundant. Also, per MOS:DTT, "A data table needs a table caption that succinctly describes what the table is about. It plays the role of a table heading, and is recommended as a best practice." Chihciboy (talk) 22:32, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Chihciboy: Yes, but at current state with only a single row, I don't see how the caption could be valuable at all, of course that's merely my personal opinion. Besides, I don't see mass adaption across music articles, just saying. Hayman30 (talk) 06:34, 2 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Use bullet points instead of flatlist in the infobox Done removed the flatlist
We do not note executive producers anymore after a discussion closed on this; also, there are too many named right now in general Done Removed 4 producers who were less involved
"after moving one million units" → "for sales of 1,000,000 certified units" Done
"reached number one in over ten countries" → "reached the summit in over 10 other countries," per MOS:NUM Done
"Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, and Switzerland, and top-ten" → "Australia, Canada, New Zealand, Switzerland, and the United Kingdom, and top 10" Done
"Beautiful Trauma was among the best-selling albums of 2017 and 2018" → "it was among the best-selling albums of 2017 as well as 2018" Done
"has sold over three million units worldwide" → "has sold over 3,000,000 units worldwide" Done
"as a lead single to commercial success" → "as the lead single from Beautiful Trauma to commercial success" with the wikilink added like here Done
"eight countries and peaking within the top-ten in a dozen others, while reaching number thirteen" → "8 countries and peaking within the top 10 in 12 others, while reaching number 13" since MOS:NUM says comparable values need to be consistent Done
"performed moderately and reached top forty" → "was moderately successful and attained top 40" Done
"of over ten countries" → "of over 10 countries" Done
"had a limited release" → "had limited releases" Done
Sure you shouldn't mention the release months of the other three singles, since that is notable? But not exact date like the lead single. Done Added months of release
"which ran from March 2018 to November 2019 and grossed over $390 million" → "that ran from March 2018 to November 2019 and grossed over $390,000,000" Done
"with approximately seven million copies sold worldwide" → "having sold approximately 7,000,000 copies worldwide" Done
"that Pink signed a new multi-album deal" → "that Pink had signed a new multi-album record deal" Done
"a collaborative album titled rose ave. with Canadian singer-songwriter Dallas Green under" → "a collaborative album titled rose ave., with Canadian singer-songwriter Dallas Green, under" Done
Mention that the release was in October 2014 Done
"decided to take a break from" → "decided to take a hiatus from" Done
"However, during this time, she released some songs," → "However, she released some songs during the hiatus," Done
Not exactly that but something similar; mention it was not a known song but "at that time" is probably not the best to be included here. --Kyle Peake (talk) 17:36, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"The song was recorded" → "The track was recorded" Done
"while the singer was pregnant" → "while the former was pregnant" to not overuse "the singer" Done
"She also described the track" → "Pink described the track" Done
"done in my life" and credited Nina Simone" → "done in my life", and credited American singer Nina Simone" Done
"co-wrote "I Am Here" in Los Angeles with Billy Mann and Christian Medice" → "co-wrote "I Am Here" with Billy Mann and Christian Medice in Los Angeles" Done
"A year later, in July 2017, the singer contacted Mann" → "The following year, Pink contacted Mann in July" Done
Target to Gospel music on "gospel" instead Done
"The pair traveled to" → "The two of them traveled to" Done
"and held a recording session" → "and booked a recording session" Done
"Houser Audio with a thirty-piece choir" → "Houser Audio, with a 30 piece choir" Done
"was co-written by Pink, Max Martin, and Shellback" → "was written by Pink, Max Martin, and Shellback" Done
"him in which she confessed her love and admiration for him and asked" → "him, confessing her love and admiration for the rapper, and asking" Done
"About Eminem, she commented" → "Speaking of Eminem, she commented" Done
"troubled relationship compared to" → "troubled relationship and compare it to" Done
[27][44] should both be solely at the end of the sentence Done
"centered around subjects of" → "centered around the subjects of" Done
"pop rock number" → "pop rock track that was" Done
"inspired by Pink's difficulties faced in her relationship with her husband" → "inspired by the difficulties that Pink faced in her relationship with husband" since we obviously know that's her husband Done
"her setlist included "What About Us"," → "the setlist included a performance of "What About Us"," to specify it was not cut from the ultimate setlist Done
"On September 22, 2017, Pink" → "On September 22 of that year, Pink" Done
Do not follow my advice for years in brackets in this sentence though, since there's too many songs to do it here
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"with the release of the album" → "with the release of Beautiful Trauma" Done
"the singer partnered with" → "Pink partnered with" Done
"a short documentary which included" → "a short documentary that includes" Done
"interviewed and performed "What About Us" and "Beautiful Trauma" on Good Morning America" "interviewed on Good Morning America and also performed the two tracks" Done
"Pink performed at" → "Pink performed during" Done
"from the album" → "from Beautiful Trauma" Done
"Pink appeared" → "Pink appeared on" Done
"The singer also performed "Barbies"" → "The singer performed "Barbies"" Done
"on November 8, 2017" → "on November 8 of that year" Done
"segment singing her previous singles, along with" → "segment, singing her previous singles as well as" Done
Target JW Marriott Hotel to L.A. Live as this is the appropriate one in the Los Angeles context Done
"for a highly choreographed performance" → "for a heavily choreographed performance" Done
"was met with positive reception" → "was met with positive reviews from critics" Done
"of the night, adding, "what" → "of the night, with the staff adding that "what" Done
"by performing "What About Us" at" → "by performing "What About Us" for" Done
Place target to The X Factor (British series 14) on "fourteenth series" text only Done I also corrected fourteenth series to 14th series – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 19:35, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"who praised its lyrical content and production" → "who praised the lyrical content and production" Done
"topping the national charts of eight countries" → "topping the national charts of 8 countries" Done
"within the top-ten in a dozen others" → "within the top 10 in 12 others" Done
"In the United States, "What About Us" peaked at number thirteen" → "In the US, "What About Us" peaked at number 13" Done
Platinum should not be capitalised and target platinum to RIAA certification Done
"signifying sales of 1,000,000 copies" → "signifying sales of 1,000,000 certified units" Done
Remove wikilink on music video Done
"Georgia Hudson and choreographed" → "Georgia Hudson, and choreographed" Done
"RJ Durell (known collectively as the GoldenBoyz), was" → "RJ Durell, known collectively as the GoldenBoyz, was" Done
"and unheard people who unite" → "and unheard people uniting" Done
"symbolizing harmony" → "symbolizing love" as that is backed up from ref(s) while harmony is not Done
"was planned to be the second single from" → "had been slated for release as the second single from" Done
[37] should solely be at the end of this sentence Done
[95][96][97] ditto for all in their sentence Done
"and was released to American" → "and was later released to US" Done
"on November 21, 2017 as the second official single" → "on November 21 of that year as the second single" Done
"portrays a married couple, Pink" → "portrays a married couple; Pink" Done
"doing daily routines and dancing" → "going through daily routines, and dancing" Done
"They open up to each other" → "The couple open up to each other" Done
"performed moderately on the charts" → "performed moderately on record charts" Done
"top forty positions in over ten countries" → "top 40 positions in over 10 countries" Done
"and the United Kingdom" → "and the UK" Done
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Main text of the img needs a fullstop at the end Done
"clips from her performance at Super Bowl LII, and clips of her at the 2017 MTV Video Music Awards" → "clips from both her performance at Super Bowl LII and appearance at the 2017 MTV Video Music Awards" Done
"from the Apple Music documentary" → "from On The Record: P!nk - Beautiful Trauma" since otherwise makes for confusion when reading Done
"was sent to hot adult contemporary radio stations" → "was sent to US hot adult contemporary radio stations" with the appropriate wikilink since you can do that to redirects for sections/sub-sections Done
"peaked at number eleven and twenty-two, respectively, on the" → "peaked at number 11 and 22 on the US" Done
"charts from the United States" → "charts, respectively" Done
Are you sure "selected territories" shouldn't be a bit more specific? – I added Europe since the song impacted several European airplay charts. Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 20:02, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"The music video that accompanied the song" → "The music video for the song" Done
"Larn Poland and was shot" → "Larn Poland and shot" Done
Up to 10 reviews are allowed in the Album ratings box; more can be added that are notable, especially The Independent and make sure that they are ordered alphabetically; The Guardian should be before Idolator, for example Done Added Drowned in Sound and PopMatters. – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 20:58, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"received a generally mixed response from contemporary music critics" → "was met with generally mixed reviews from music critics" with no target Done
"Another music-aggregator AnyDecentMusic? gave Beautiful Trauma a score of 5.7 out of 10, based" → "Aggregator AnyDecentMusic? gave it 5.7 out of 10, based" Done
Remove wikilink on USA Today Done
"the stripped-back arrangements which emphasize" → "the "stripped-back arrangements" for emphasizing" Done
"pointing out the singer's consistency" → "pointing out Pink's consistency" Done
Remove the rating of Chuck Arnold from being in prose since it's cited in the ratings box Done
"sound and compared the theme" → "sound, and compared the theme" Done
"with Pink's previous album, The Truth About Love (2012)" → "with The Truth About Love" Done
"Jamie Otsa of Drowned in Sound praised" → "Otsa praised" Done
"and its wide array of influences" → "and wide array of influences" Done
"Billboard's Andrew Unterberger believed" → "Unterberger believed" Done
Remove The Independent rating from being written out in prose Done
"and becoming her second consecutive number one album in the country" → "and becoming Pink's second consecutive number one album on the chart" Done
"The album's sales were aided by her tour audience, the cost of the album" → "The sales were aided by her tour audience, with the cost of the album" Done
"and the album being redeemable" → "and Beautiful Trauma being redeemable" Done
Are you sure that the fact Swift surpassed this is notable? The term "acquired" is like stating "became" in the sense it doesn't imply that was the same forever. Done Removed the Swift filler information. – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 08:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Furthermore, the album had" → "Furthermore, the former had" Done
"and also became her best" → "and also became Pink's best" Done
Remove the stats that follow per WP:CHARTS up until the "After selling 628,000 copies..." point Done
"in the country throughout 2017, Beautiful Trauma" → "in the US throughout 2017, Beautiful Trauma" Done
"In the week ending May 17, 2018" → "For the week ending May 17, 2018" Done
"vaulted from 83–2 on" → "rose 81 places from number 83 to number 2 on" Done
"selling 135,000 copies and 139,000 album-equivalent units" → "with sales of 139,000 units, including 135,000 copies" Done
"The album was certified" → "Beautiful Trauma was certified" Done
"Its total sales in the country" → "The total sales in Australia" Done
"where it remained at number-one" → "where the album remained at number one" Done
"for more than one week after" → "for more than a week, after" Done
"number-one album by a female artist" → "number one album by a female artist in the country" Done
"finished as the second-highest" → "finished 2017 as the second-highest" Done
[161][162] should solely be at the end of the sentence with [163] Done
"In New Zealand, the record" → "In New Zealand, the album" Done
"it was the third and eight" → "Beautiful Trauma was the third and eighth" Done
"and had sold over three million units" → "and had sold over 3,000,000 units" Done
Nice edition for the worldwide stats, but by when "had" it sold that type of amount? – Added "by March 2019" since that's when the IFPI numbers came out. Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 08:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Kyle Peake Would it be a good idea to reassembly the whole section and turn, for example, "piano (5, 7), bass (5, 7), guitar (5, 7), keyboards (5, 7)" into "piano, bass, guitar, keyboards (tracks 5, 7)"? – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 11:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that idea would work, but for personnel that only had a number of their roles for certain tracks, write "*Jack Antonoff – background vocals (1), drums, guitars, bass, synths (1, 10), piano (10)" for example --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:21, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cite Digital Spy as publisher instead for ref 5 Done
Ditto for refs 7, 77 and 79 but with no wikilink Done
Delete Billboard Staff from being cited for refs 8, 49, 76 and 134 Done
Forbes is unreliable on ref 9 per WP:RSP so remove, and replace if possible Done
Cite Idolator as publisher instead for ref 12 and fix MOS:QWQ issues Done
Cite NME in the work/website parameter instead for ref 13 Done
Just to note, when I make requests like the one above and italicise in my suggestions, I am not telling you to add italics but to replicate how this parameter looks.
Cite ABC News as publisher instead for ref 14 Done
Cite OnMilwaukee as publisher instead for ref 15 Done
Change EarnTheNecklace.com to EarnTheNecklace for ref 16 Done
For refs 56 and 68, are you sure Instagram is reliable?
I removed ref 56 since it wasn't necessary, but I couldn't find anything about the Jimmy Kimmel performance except for the Instagram post. – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Change SortirAParis.com to SortirAParis for ref 80 Done
MOS:QWQ issues with refs 81 and 83 Done
Cite MTV as publisher instead for ref 86 and fix MOS:QWQ issues Done
Remove wikilinks on Billboard under ref 92, change Swiss Hitparade to publisher, wikilink to Official Charts Company and change the latter's title to Pink | full Official Chart History Done
Cite All Access as the publisher for 98 instead Done
MOS:QWQ issues with ref 99 Done
Remove target on Elle for ref 100 and fix MOS:QWQ issues Done
MOS:QWQ issues with 101 Done
Cite All Access as the publisher for ref 108 Done
Cite iTunes Store (US) as publisher instead for ref 109 with the wikilink, plus remove the date parameter since that's the release date Done
Cite PR Newswire as publisher instead for ref 115 and fix MOS:CAPS issues Done
Cite Metacritic as publisher instead for 124 and delete CBS Interactive altogether, plus remove the date because reviews came in after then Done
Cite AnyDecentMusic? as publisher instead for 125 and remove the date per above Done
Cite ABC News as publisher instead for ref 129 Done
Remove target on People for ref 131 Done
Remove wikilink to The New York Times on ref 132 Done
Are you sure ref 133 shouldn't cite Grammy instead?
I believe that Grammy refers strictly to the literal award and award show, while The Recording Academy seems more suitable since they make press releases and the members of the Academy vote for nominations. – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Remove FYI Staff from refs 143 and 144, plus cite FYIMusicNews and as publisher instead Done
Cite Official Charts Company as publisher instead for ref 147 and remove the wikilink Done
Cite Official Charts Company as publisher instead for ref 148 Done
Ref 149 is missing an accessdate Done
Cite Music Week as work/website instead for ref 150 Done
Change Pure Charts in France to Pure Charts for ref 153, citing as publisher instead Done
Cite Aficia as publisher instead for ref 154 Done
Change noise11 to Noise11 for ref 157, citing as publisher instead and with the appropriate target Done
Ditto for refs 158, 158 and 160, but with no targets Done
Remove wikilink on International Federation of the Phonographic Industry for ref 167 Done
iTunes Store should be cited as publisher instead for citations under ref 168, with no wikilinks. Also, you should cite various countries since this album was a worldwide success; no more than 7 is advised though and put the national retailer in brackets; iTunes Store (US) for example. Remove Amazon.com from the title of that citation, do the same for United States and target the publisher Amazon.com to Amazon (company). Done Added France, Germany, Italy, Spain and Sweden stores. – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 17:38, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cite Tower Records Japan as publisher instead for ref 169 and target to Tower Records Done
Fix ref 174's accessdate Done
Cite Oricon as publisher instead for ref 183 and include the language parameter Done
How can ref 188 be accessed in 2015 when the album wasn't even released until 2017? Done
Change ref 195 to citing Hung Medien and as publisher instead Done
Cite Ultratop as publisher instead for refs 196, 197 and 218 Done
Cite GFK Entertainment Charts as publisher instead for refs 201 and 211, with no wikilinks Done
Ref 202 doesn't lead directly to the year-end chart; insert a new URL that does instead and check it is archived properly once you have done that too Done
Ditto for refs 203 and 213 except they only need an archive, since Recorded Music NZ always has this issue with the year end charts Done
Cite Hung Medien as publisher instead for ref 204 Done
Remove wikilink to Official Charts Company for ref 212 Done
Cite Australia Recording Industry Association as the publisher for ref 219 and fix the acccessdate formatting Done
Cite Izvestia Music as publisher instead for ref 226 Done
Since this is a large article as I said before, I will be doing it in stages somewhat, but you can respond to any changes as soon as they are requested. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:56, 8 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Kyle Peake: Hi! Thank you very much for dedicating your time and energy into reviewing this big article. I think I covered every suggestion and issue. Please let me know if I missed something or if there's anything else I can do. Greets; – Gabrielflorin01 (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]