Talk:Beaten coffee

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I support the merge, it’s rude not to give credit where it’s due, it can be considered a form of cultural appropriation, absolutely disgusting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:48DF:E700:E02A:AAF:AB02:BA6F (talk) 10:01, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

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Merger proposal (April 2020)

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To not merge on the grounds that references support independent notability of Dalgona coffee primarily through its cultural impact, and that there were some who view the drinks as distinct. Klbrain (talk) 18:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

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I don't think dalgona coffee warrants its own article for now; it's merely a variation of the "Indian/Pakistani" beaten coffee. In fact, the South Korean fad all began long after an episode of Fun-staurant  (KBS Media sales, KBS World guide) was broadcast back in January 2020. In the episode, Jung Il-woo visits a restaurant in Coloane, Macau, where he orders a dish of rice vermicelli with fried pork meat on top, and a cup of iced beaten coffee; it was in that episode the drink (in its original form, not the one of later-emerged South Korean variations) was named dalgona coffee in Korean. I don't know how the South Asian coffee drink was brought to Macau in the first place, but it's clear that the recipe for dalgona coffee is not that original that it needs to have an own article in any edition of Wikipedia. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 13:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC) [Fixed typo. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 11:21, 15 April 2020 (UTC)]

I support the merge. Csgir (talk) 04:35, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Support. Dalgona coffee should be but a section in the beaten coffee article.— •KvЯt GviЯnЭlБ• ^Speak! 12:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

I support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.226.206 (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Support I was woefully unaware of this article when I create the Dalgona page. Yes, I agree, a merge would be warranted. The Dalgona phenomenon is just a phase. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 22:29, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Don't merge – I do not support the merge [proposal]. I was unaware of "beaten coffee" until I came across this article; however, I have known of "dalgona coffee" for weeks now. I don't doubt many more people are (more) aware of "dalgona coffee"...yes, due to the pandemic quarantine. I think both articles can be cross-linked, though. IMHO, "dalgona coffee" is more noteworthy for now...and, who knows, maybe it will remain so. 42.104.79.233 (talk) 05:42, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose "Dalgona coffee" article is (or at least should be) about the COVID-19 (and quarantine)-related fad created in Korea and later spread internationally. It is why the now "trendy" beverage is being referred to (by all if not most English-language media) using the Korean term "dalgona coffee". South Asian beaten coffee may have longer history but its pre-pandemic history has little to do with the fad. It might also be relevant to note that the Beaten coffee article is a shorter stub created two days after the Dalgona coffee article was created. --Melsj (talk) 16:15, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Per Melsj; the Dalgona article is not only about a particular variant of beaten/whipped coffee, but about the phenomenon within the context of the pandemic. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 23:48, 18 April 2020 (UTC)

Support and the arguments presented by opponents make me wonder whether they, given that bread baking has become a fad during the pandemic, would also support a second article about bread that treats bread during the pandemic as though it were a different phenomenon from bread before and after the pandemic. Largoplazo (talk) 00:41, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Support Just because dalgona coffee bacame a phenomenon during pandemic lockdown, it does not make it worthy of a special article. It should definitely be merged with beaten coffee but it should be made a distinct section under that article. Jazzy Prinker (talk) 14:17, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose So beaten coffee is aerated paste onto which you pour milk to generate a froth. Dalgona coffee is hot or cold milk onto which you put aerated paste. No froth. I see two different drinks here. Kind regards, Grueslayer 14:55, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

And, naturally, we should have two articles about hot chocolate, one of which explains that cocoa powder is stirred into milk, and the other of which explains that milk is poured on top of the cocoa powder. Seriously, I don't think this is the basis for having two distinct articles about one concoction. Also, this article mentions that a froth is produced as a result of the juxtaposition of the paste and the milk. This implies that it happens inherently, so the fact that this isn't mentioned in the other article doesn't mean that it doesn't happen or even that it's actively prevented, let alone that it amounts to a distinction between two topics. Largoplazo (talk) 16:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

You seem to fancy flawed comparisons, which is not very helpful. Here you got a beaten coffee with froth, here you got a dalgona coffee which can't have a froth for physical reasons. Two different drinks. Kind regards, Grueslayer 19:14, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Support Given that Dalgona is just beaten coffee with the milk underneath, without froth. The defining characteristics are the instant-coffee/sugar foam, and the fact it's served with milk. There shouldn't be a separate article for each way the milk is prepared. It's just a variant. 85.220.51.140 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Support Whipped/beaten coffee is a historical precedent and should be the base article, besides Dalgona refers to another product altogether and the name was appropriated for this style of coffee 219.74.75.225 (talk) 06:11, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Support - This drink was based of a drink recipe that already existed for decades. It should be a subsection of beaten/whipped coffee. Asiaexpat89 (talk) 06:49, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose - If you want Dalgona Coffee merged with beaten coffee then you have to also merge Frappe under the same criteria. The Beaten Coffee entry clearly says that it is served with warm milk poured on top to make a froth. The Dalgona Coffee has the paste poured on top of Cold milk as a topping. They are clearly different. If they are merged I think that "Beaten Coffee" would be flawed as a title, it should be "Instant Coffee Derivatives". And then you have to think what other drinks may need to be assimilated - the Iced Brewed Coffees, Cold Brews, Iced Lattes? These should all come together under a "Cold Coffee Drinks" Heading. (And then, just "Coffee Drinks", then "Drinks"? If you start down this road then you need to go the whole way or not bother, otherwise what's the point? Dalgona Coffee is being singled out for some reason, why?) Seriously though, there may be a case for merging all these and having them under separate sub-headings longer term, but I think while the (still current) pandemic is on it should remain separate for now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kimrichu (talk • contribs) 15:51, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Comment: I have read all the responses so far. I kind of wish there was an article titled Impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic on homes, and all the lockdown cooking fads could go there, so this article (with the dalgona coffee article merged in) could solely focus on the drink itself. JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:16, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

• oppose merge Has sufficient citations, is notable on its own. There are a lot of food variations that become notable in their own right. Hamburger isn't merged into sandwich, r when in reality it is just a sandwich. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:41, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Oppose merge: I learned about beaten coffee when I came into wikipedia. Everyone around the world is calling this coffee Dalgona coffee. In latin America is Café Dalgona. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.141.180.145 (talk) 20:17, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

I support the merge because it has been around for years in India under the name "Beaten Coffee". Not acknowledging the roots of this "2020 Quarantine Trend" is like saying the wearing of cornrows, a hairstyle traditionally worn by African American women, was started by Kim Kardashian when she wore her hair in "Boxer Braids". You cannot just stick a new name on something unique and not even mention the origins. I also agree that Dalgona Coffee should be a section in the main page Beaten Coffee.Shellieblack8 (talk) 03:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Acknowledgment of the origin (root) can be done (and is already done in the article, actually) without merging the articles. --Melsj (talk) 00:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Both could merged with "instant coffee" Anyway in Greece cold version "frappe"(you can find it on Wikipedia and Nes(from Nescafé) are on market decades ago.

KotsosA (talk) 07:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A3%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%B3%CE%BC%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%AF%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%BA%CE%B1%CF%86%CE%AD%CF%82 KotsosA (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Previous link is from Greek Wikipedia. There are videos on YouTube about its perpetration. KotsosA (talk) 07:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@KotsosA: Do you mean frappé coffee? JSH-alive/^{talk/cont/mail} 16:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I oppose. This type of coffee is something that's hard for any one culture to claim as their own and has already made a significant impact on 21st-century culture rather than a specific location. People are not looking 'beaten coffee' to find the recipe. If anything, beaten coffee should be merged under dalgona coffee. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.197.212 (talk) 23:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I support the merge. Having observed comments around social media, I think a huge issue here is that this article has MISLEAD many people to think that the recipe for whipped coffee, as having originated in Korea (it was renamed via the trend as dalgona coffee, as that actor likened it to Korean dalgona candy). I have seen people and websites claiming the recipe for this drink is from Korea. Many of the sources for those webpages are likely basing that of the trend. I understand that while this page mentions the relation with the original recipes that inspire this drink (frappe coffee, phentui hui, beaten, whipped), it doesn't properly convey that as much as the content is crediting the trend in Korea, and giving very brief recognition to the fact it existed much before that. While it is a big trend recognized by this name, this page needs to take into consideration and address these factors, so that we can actually preserve true facts and history rather than fragmented and written over. Perhaps make that more clear in the article-- or yes merge this.TheMediaPedia (talk) 03:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I oppose. This is a cultural drink of many countries, to take it's name away would be inappropriate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dalgonadiva (talk • contribs) 12:08, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

@JSH-alive Greek frappe is cold drink. We use to call it Nes because of first instant coffee in Greece, Nescafé. It's a beaten coffee with spoon at home and with frappe mixer at cafés. KotsosA (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

Oppose merge this drink is notable on its own, as well as having slight differences between the Indian beaten coffee. There is no concrete evidence that the inventor of Dalgona coffee based it on beaten coffee as well, only speculations due to the many similarities between dalgona cofee and other drinks like beaten coffee and frappe. If this drink really is the exact same as beaten coffee, then beaten coffee should be merged into this article. Dalgona coffee is more well-known than beaten coffee, and by following WP:COMMONNAME, it would be the more common name. —CountHacker (talk) 01:23, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Oppose If you merge this, you would have to merge thousands of articles similar to this situation. Also, I believe it is unique enough. --TyNoOutlet (talk) 11:22, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

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