Talk:Battle of Tororo

Potential sources

[1]; [2] -Applodion (talk) 20:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Some comments

@Applodion: We should decide which English variation to settle on for the article.

Also Avirgan and Honey are more specific about the rebels' casualties. They estimate 30-50 were directly killed in the attack and they say 10 were arrested by Kenyan police while trying to flee over the border. They do not specify how many were captured by the Ugandan government, though they do cite a State Research Bureau intelligence report where an agent says 4 of the guerrillas died during interrogation. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:38, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

They also characterise the operation as "partially successful" and not a "complete defeat", though they are essentially in agreement about its impact on the campagin. -Indy beetle (talk) 17:41, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: I have no preference in regard to the English variation. In regard to Avirgan and Honey, this is interesting, as both the newspaper articles and Cooper & Fontanellaz regard the operation as failure. Furthermore, the casualties seem very low when the mutiny is taken into account - The Air and Sea Battalion counted 1,000-2,000 soldiers, many of which reportedly defected to the insurgents. Do Avirgan and Honey specify whether these casualties only include the initial guerrillas or do they also take the mutineers into account?
I also want to thank you for your input and work! When I saw that you started to expand the articles about the Uganda–Tanzania War, it inspired me to do the same (I had already wanted to do so in the past, but simply did not find the energy). Applodion (talk) 17:50, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

@Applodion: Thank you for your work as well, and picking up where I leave off. It's nice to have someone else working on African military history topics. I actually ended up here almost by accident. Some weeks ago I noticed that Fall of Kampala was a stub and decided to look into it to see if there really was an article worth writing, and I checked out Avirgan and Honey's book from my university library. I've been using it since, seeing as it's a rare book and unique in its comprehensiveness. Your additions from Cooper & Fontanellz have been most useful.

As for this article, I would support using British English, as it's the closest to what most of the African Commonwealth nations use. In terms of the casualties, Avirgan and Honey seem to be referring strictly to the FNR guerrillas. I guess the interpretation of the battle is not much to worry about. Avirgan and Honey were sympathetic to Nyerere and the overthrow of Amin, though they were hardly Obote proponents, from what I can tell (so they had little reason to overblow the guerillas' achievements). And the idea that the raid was a partial success based off of its contribution to the erosion of the Ugandan Army is not far-fetched, it's just a minority view. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:23, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Ah, ok! In this case we should probably include Avirgan and Honey's interpretation, and note with the casualties that they only include FNR deaths/POWs. Applodion (talk) 09:13, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

@Applodion: Do you think the article is suitable GA material? -Indy beetle (talk) 00:03, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: A good question. I have not yet nominated an article for GA, but I would assume that this one might suffice. It includes most that is known about the battle, and seems to meet all Good article criteria. I would, however, add what we talked about above, namely Avirgan and Honey's opinion on whether or not the battle was a failure. Applodion (talk) 09:12, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

@Applodion: Alright, I've added all of the information from Avirgan and Honey. Also, the GA review for Battle of Entebbe has started. -Indy beetle (talk) 02:53, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

@Applodion: Think it is ready for GA? -Indy beetle (talk) 05:52, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Indy beetle: Yes, I assume it is ready. Applodion (talk) 11:53, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Battle of Tororo/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Buidhe (talk · contribs) 20:37, 24 January 2019 (UTC)

• What passage in Darnton supports this sentence "Many locals responded to the outbreak of violence by fleeing from Tororo to nearby Mbale or the Kenyan frontier."? I was having trouble verifying it.
  • @Buidhe: Removed reference to Darnton. MacManus supports the claim about refugees fleeing to Mbale, but not to Kenya, so I've removed that part. -Indy beetle (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
• Other references to Darnton check out.
• Alright, considering my review of Battle of Entebbe (based on similar sources), I am confident that this meets the GA criteria and will promote it.

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