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I'm not finding "Battle of Tora Bora (2017)" or any variant of that in the cited sources. I imagine that this may be a naming conflict.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 00:48, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, most of the sources only report of the ISIL capture of Tora Bora, but "ISIL conquest of Tora Bora" would be wrong, because the government quickly retook it. Furthermore, the conflict appears to have been quite large, so "Tora Bora clashes" also seems inappropriate. Applodion (talk) 08:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Afghan claims

Applodion I noticed you reverted my edit.

First of all, that is not Afghan government claim. If you read the news you will see that those claims are made by Abdul Saboor Sabet of National Directorate of Security (NDS).

They are not the words of government. Even they are not official claim of NDS. Officially NDS never claimed that ISIS was supported by any other country during the Tora bora battle.

Similarly, none of other Afghan news outlets reported this news.

They are the words of just one officer and whose words are not shared by Mr. Mohammed Masoom Stanekzai (director of NDS) or by Afghan government. 82.178.255.129 (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, you would have to provide a proof/source that the government officially denies Abdul Saboor Sabet's words who is not just "one officer" but the official head of NDS in Nangarhar and thus a gov. representative. There was no official denial, however, probably because the Afghan government is very hostile toward Pakistan. Nevertheless, you are right that no other government officials claimed that Pakistan supported ISIL during this battle. Thus, I think it is best that we change "(Afghan government claim)" to "(NDS Nangarhar claim)", as Abdul Saboor Sabet is at least representative of that NDS branch. Applodion (talk) 15:10, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Applodion But the officials from main branch or even the director of NDS have never made any such claims which supports Mr. Abdul Saboor statement. So again Mr. Abdul Saboor is alone in his claim. NDS should have supported his claims as he is one of their officer but that did not happen even after such a long time. If NDS officially mentioned anything on the subject then every Afghan news outlets would have covered it. That is my point.

And as you mentioned that Afghan government is hostile to Pakistan, then wouldn't that mean that Afghan government would support Mr. Abdul Saboor claims? Why would they let go of this golden opportunity?

Perhaps Afghan government never heard of any such claims.

So I Don't think he should be labelled as government representative. 82.178.255.129 (talk) 15:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

He IS a government representative. What he says matters by definition, as long as it is not contradicted by someone of a higher rank. Applodion (talk) 15:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]