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Hoax assertion

Online searches yield zero results for "Battle of Lyncestis" and "Battle of Lynkestis". The one external link with searchable text also yields no appearance of either phrase. —Swpb^talk 20:27, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Try :(Land Battles in 5th Century BC Greece: A History and× Analysis of 173 Engagements By Fred Eugene Ray, Jr.) This is NOT a hoax. This battle is well known. I understand that the name of the battle isint recognizable because it was never named in antiquity. But this is TRUE information, there is no reason for this article to be deleted. It is not biased. John Wilkes even mentions it briefly. I have a thorough and nonbiased and nonfantastical knowledge about the Ancient peoples of Macedonia, Epirus and Albania. Frankily I was actually amazed this was even put up for deletion. Thank you. Monounios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monounios (talk • contribs) 21:26, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You'll excuse me if I don't take your word for any of that, internet stranger. If this is truly a notable battle, it should be easy to connect the article to sources such that other users can confirm that for themselves. If the battle is better known by some other name, then the article should have that name. The fact that the internet can't provide a single mention of a battle with this name is very suspicious. I'll keep tabs on this page. If the topic is legitimate, then you or another editor should be able to provide more proper sourcing very soon. —Swpb^talk 01:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources for this conflict(Battle of Lyncestis/Lynkestis/Lyncus) include:

In the Shadow of Olympus: The Emergence of Macedon By Eugene N. Borza (PG:181)
The Landmark Thucydides By Thucydides (PG:290-2930
Thucydides: The War of the Peloponnesians and the Athenians By Thucydides (PG:312-315)
The History of the Peloponnesian War By Thucydides (PG:466-473)
Song of Wrath: The Peloponnesian War Begins By J. E. Lendon (PG: 349-350)
The Peloponnesian War By Martin Hammond (PG:250-253)
Land Battles in 5th Century BC Greece: A History and Analysis of 173 Engagements By Fred Eugene Ray, Jr. (PG:188-190)
A Companion to Ancient Macedonia edited by Joseph Roisman, Ian Worthington (PG:283-284)
ETC......

All of these sources, and more, which are nearly all found in GOOGLE BOOKS mention this battle, some in very great detail. This battle(conflict) did indeed happen. Thank you for reading :) Monounios — Preceding unsigned comment added by Monounios (talk • contribs)

First, I have searched the text of all those books, and again found zero use of the phrase "Battle of Lyncestis". If you cannot point to a scholarly identification of this battle by name, then your title (at the very least) constitutes original research, which is not allowed on Wikipedia. Second, where a source is available online (such as Google Books), it should be linked directly in the article's "references" section. Finally, please sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). This will tag the comment with your username and a timestamp. —Swpb^talk 13:42, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Well I guess the only source for the name of the battle is in this book [Land Battles in 5th Century BC Greece: A History and Analysis of 173 Engagements By Fred Eugene Ray, Jr. PG:188]. In it, it is called Battle of Lyncestis. Honestly I dont know what to call it, but this is the best name by far. I doubt the ancient authors named many of the battles we know today eg. FIRST Illyrian war. Like the battle did occur in Lyncestis so..... Monounios (talk) 14:35, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, on page 188 the name is "Battle of Lyncestis". --Epìdosis (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've asked for input at WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome, WikiProject History, and WikiProject Greece, since this is not my area of expertise. From the initial response, it seems clear the article isn't a hoax, so I'm removing that tag. But you should really try to find a more widely-referenced title, and you should definitely format the references to include hyperlinks to the books which are available online. —Swpb^talk 19:04, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank You for your work Monounios (talk) 19:33, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Unless a precise quote is given about a battle known under this name, I'm afraid that this is a clear afd case. In general conflicts between Illyrians and Greek states do not warrant the creation of this article: There is not even a reference that a conflict occured in the specific region...Alexikoua (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My edition of Thucydides has it as "Brasidas' Zug gegen Lynkos" (Brasidas' campaign against Lyncos). The fact is that Thucydides himself has no inner titles (only "book 1,2,3" etc.), but modern editions do. So it is clear that the titles may vary from one edition to another, especially for the lesser events. You should check which is the prevailing title in recent English editions.--Hyphantes (talk) 01:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An expedition in a region doesn't mean that a battle occurred or even if the supposed conflict took place "in" the specific region. No wonder there is not a single non-ancient reference of this supposed expedition which lead to the claimed battle. Thus this leaves no doubt that an afd should be filled.Alexikoua (talk) 13:01, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If you can't find a voice on Google, this doesn't mean that it never existed! Before you threaten the author of this article with ultimate bureaucratic procedures, you should at least read the sources he gives. If you had done that you'd know that the expedition is certainly not "supposed" and the combat is not "claimed" as you write, but both are historic fact. How you call it is up to historians, ancient and modern alike. So you are free to fill your afd, if you like, but as long as you approach the question with similar superficiality there should be little doubt that the jury will trust Thucydides more than Alexikoua.--Hyphantes (talk) 14:35, 30 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]