Talk:Battle of La Malmaison

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Greetings Blaylock, thanks for prompting me to look at Malmaison again, I thought I'd done the article ages ago. Lack of narrative sources in English has led me to adapt a translation of a French narrative in the Times Encyclopaedia from the 1920s and start translating the German narrative in the Official History User talk:Keith-264/sandbox2. If you have any recent sources in English I'd be glad to know of them. I hope to have the rest of the narrative copy-edited and uploaded this week. RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 08:31, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can dig out Hew Strachan, who might've mentioned it, but other than that & googling it, I've got no sources. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I know that feelin'. A source from 1918 and one from 1942 looks about as good as it gets. I'm about 1/2 way through machine translating the GOH narrative, which should help me drastically prune the background and prelude and add balance to the French narrative. (Is this period an interest of yours?) RegardsKeith-264 (talk) 09:22, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

My Strachan book was actually written in the 21st century, so age isn't a problem. I'm not sure how much he mentioned Malmaison though. Given it's influence on many of the major historical events after it, World War I is 1 of my primary interests. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 09:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Narrative

Added most of the narrative, will do a copy-edit tomorrow to tidy up and revise overlaps.Keith-264 (talk) 16:19, 7 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually part of the Nivelle offensive?

Is this battle actually part of the Nivelle Offensive? By this point Nivelle had been gone for five or so months. Ifly6 (talk) 07:41, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Different writers come to differing conclusions but the strategy lasted longer than the man. Although the French offensive ended the fighting didn't, rumbling on all summer in the Battle of the Observatories, culminating in La Malmaison. Getting hold of sources is the difficult thing because in English writing, the Germans and French tend to be voices off. It isn't as bad as it was but I've struggled to find much on the observatories. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 08:25, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doughty 2005 seems to discuss them separately with a major shift in strategy having intervened. I'm not well read on the topic of periodisation of French operations circa 1917 but it does seem the statement in the infobox is unsourced re part of the Nivelle Offensive. Ifly6 (talk) 20:57, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Goya, M. (2018) [2004]. Flesh and Steel During the Great War: The Transformation of the French Army and the Invention of Modern Warfare. Translated by Uffindell, A. (1st ed trans. La chair et l'acier: l'armée française et l'invention de la guerre moderne (1914–1918) Éditions Tallandier, Paris ed.). Barnsley: Pen & Sword Military. ISBN 978-1-47388-696-4. might be a better source, being French and not dependent on English language sources. Keith-264 (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The strategy had to return to that of 1916 after the breakthrough didn't occur but the fighting on the Chemin des Dames continued all year. Keith-264 (talk) 21:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]