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Reviewer: CPA-5 (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Claim my seat here. CPA-5 (talk) 20:59, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi CPA-5, it's been two weeks; just making sure that you haven't forgotten this one. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:02, 14 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • including the town of Hel at the Peninsula's tip Decaptalise peninsula.
  • Some 2,800 soldiers of Rear Admiral Włodzimierz Steyer's Link Rear Admiral.
  • as tensions between Poland and Germany mounted Pipe both Germany to Nazi Germany and Poland to the Second Polish Republic.
  • I see you use a lot of metric units - maybe convert them into English units because Americans, Liberians and (some) Britons still use English units.
WP:UNITS stipulates that conversions should be provided "when appropriate". Both US and British Army websites don't have any issues specifying on their websites only metric values for the calibre of small arms in use, so I'm not sure that we need to make an issue of it here. Factotem (talk) 09:46, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to clarify, what I believe CPA-5 is asking for is a change from "comprised one 4 × 152 mm battery" to "comprised one 4 × 152 millimetres (6.0 in) battery", for example. Harrias talk 10:07, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, they absolutely need to be converted. We’re an international encyclopedia, not the US or UK military (and we're also not talking about small arms here, but that’s beside the point). See the second bullet at MOS:CONVERSIONS - you need a good reason to not supply conversions, and “I don’t feel like it” doesn’t cut it. Parsecboy (talk) 10:23, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Seems excessive to me given that even the holdout nations routinely use the metric system as a measurement of calibre, but guideline and consensus do seem to require conversions to be provided per the example given by Harrias. Factotem (talk) 10:51, 11 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm never impressed by the argument that "we shouldn't improve the article because the criteria doesn't require it". Are we trying to create good content or are we trying to do the bare minimum? Parsecboy (talk) 17:42, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    Is it an improvement? When referring to gun designations, the conversion isn't meaningful. Hawkeye7

(discuss) 18:28, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • You're not a Yank, so I don't know that your perspective is as valid as someone who doesn't use the metric system. The point is, the MoS stipulates that conversions should be used, and the argument that "the GA criteria doesn't include that specific part of the MoS so we don't need to do it" is a weak one. It's not exactly hard to slap a few {{convert}} templates in the article. Parsecboy (talk) 18:47, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see a lot of guns but they're not linked why not?
  • Fortified Region was held by Rear Admiral Włodzimierz Steyer Rear Admiral has a wrong link?
  • I see a lot of "howevers" maybe remove a couple until you have only one because this article is really short to use more than one?
  • See a lot of British vs American words maybe standardise them words like defence, center, defense, theater, armored, counterattacks,
  • Link German Navy.
  • the first day of the invasion (1 September 1939) Delete the date here because in the "Prelude" section you already mentioned that 31 August eve is the evening before the invasion would start.
  • The first air raid occurred at 13:30 hours Delete "hours".
  • he same day at 18:00 hours, targeted ships in the port Same as above.
  • Rear Admiral is overlinked.
  • engaged by two German Kriegsmarine destroyers Unlink Kriegsmarine.
  • Standardise the usages of MM/DD/YYYY to DD/MM/YYYY.
  • village of Wielka Wieś on the Peninsula's very border Decaptalise peninsula.
  • village, Chałupy, situated on the Peninsula itself Same as above.
  • In the night of 12–13 September 1939 --> "In the night of 12/13 September 1939"
  • Link word minelayers at the first use.
  • Merge some paragraphs in the "Aftermath".
  • In the second note "Capitulation negotiations began the night of 30 September – 1 October 1939" --> "Capitulation negotiations began the night of 30 September/1 October 1939"
  • Both last notes need sources to support these claims.

The rest will follow soon. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:08, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


Images

  • What is the status for all images in the US except for the "File:Zatoka Pucka mapa mini.png"?
File:Chalupy wyrwa.jpg provides that information, as does File:Dzialo 75 mm Bateria plot. Hel.jpg and File:Hel kapitulacja 01.jpg (through the use of commons:Template:PD-Polish, and the infobox lists the relevant publication date). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:18, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

  • Looks good to me.

Sources

  • Maybe translate al

l foreign languages' title.

@Piotrus: That's it I think. Sorry that it took that long. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 16:05, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Counter admiral":
Our "Rear admiral" article states: "In some European navies (e.g., that of France), and in the Canadian Forces' French rank translations, the rank of rear admiral is known as contre-amiral. In the German Navy the rank is known as Konteradmiral, superior to the flotilla admiral (Commodore in other navies)."
We can link to "Counter Admiral", but the Polish rank would be better rendered as "Rear Admiral". We don't leave "Pułkownik" in the original Polish, we render it as "Colonel". We would not leave the Chinese equivalent of "rear admiral" in a pinyin transcription but render it in English as "rear admiral".
The Great Polish-English Dictionary, published in Warsaw, renders "kontradmirał" as "rear admiral".
Nihil novi (talk) 07:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


"Hel Peninsula":
"Hel Peninsula" is a formal geographical name and is capitalized in our "Hel Peninsula" article, as are other peninsulas, e.g., "Argolid Peninsula".
Where the peninsula's name ("Hel") is attached directly to the word "peninsula", the latter should be capitalized.
Nihil novi (talk) 07:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]


In the "Battle" section, paragraph 2, "This effectively eliminated the already heavily outnumbered surface Polish Navy as a fighting force on the Baltic Sea, with only three [Polish] light minelayers remaining operational in the theater."
But paragraph 4 states: "After two further Polish ships (the light minelayers Jaskółka and Czapla) at the Hel port of Jastarnia were sunk by the Luftwaffe the following day, and the remaining three minelayers (Czajka, Rybitwa, and Żuraw) were damaged..."
That's confusing. How many Polish minelayers, "light" or otherwise, were there? At what points in time?
Nihil novi (talk) 09:43, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ping User:CPA-5 (I almost forgot about this too). I've added convert templates to the first use of the mm/cm and such. Are we good now? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 15:59, 1 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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