Talk:Basildon Town Centre

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This is work in progress - unfortunately I have been called away so I cannot add the rest of details. I will try later to update the rest.

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Statements that are removed for failure to have RS refs following them, such as these, can only be restored (per wp:burden) if you supply RS refs following the statements. If the editor restoring them believes that such refs exist -- either outside the article, or elsewhere in the article, the editor should insert the inline RS refs after the statements. Otherwise, the editor is editing in violation of wp:burden. And the re-addition is subject to revert. --Epeefleche (talk) 06:40, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

If Epeefleche had bothered to carefully read the article, that statement had a ref further into the body of the article. Also, the statement that was deleted, that "The architect Sir Basil Spence worked on its design", was originally in the lede and had later been moved further down into the article. I have restored it to the lede. Content in the lede should just summarize content already in the body of the article and so does not require refs, the refs being found in the body of the article along side the full content. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 15:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

List of units

I have deleted this following from the article (due to lack of sources and it being mostly OR, an opinion shared by all the editors contributing to the ongoing AfD discussion) and have placed it here instead. The information it contains is interesting and there are no suggestions that it is incorrect information. Someone who knows how to create separate archives should put it into an archive by itself, rather than leave it here. I do not know how to do this, sorry. Also, maybe some info from it, such as the anchor stores info, could be re-inserted into the article. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:08, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

This list is to record the stores that existed and where they were located.

• Location - Town Square. First Phase opened 1958. Second Phase opened 1959. Third Phase opened 1971. Fourth Phase opened 1998.

Buildin No.	Current Store	Previous Stores
2-4	Living Style (furnishings)2014-	Halfords 1963-199? / Walmsley Furnishings closed 2011 / Independent Ladies Clothes
6-8	Living Style (furnishings)2014-	Ravenscourt (homeware) 1961-66 / Halfords 1966-199? / Walmsley Furnings closed 2011 / Independent Ladies Clothes
10-12	Lloyds Bank	H T Dywer (newsagent) / Newswell (newsagent) / Trustee Savings Bank / Lloyds TSB (bank)
14-16	Lloyds Bank	Trustee Savings Bank opened 1964 / Lloyds TSB (bank)
18-20	Lloyds Bank	Stratford Photographic 1962-67 / Flaums (clothes) opened 1967 closed 1980s / Shelia Anthony (clothes)
22-24	Empty	Turners (shoes) / Drapes (furnishings & curtains) / Card Warehouse / Paperbox (cards)
26-28	Cash-Mart	Mayes (ironmongers) 1959-65 / James Woodhouse & Sons (home furnishings)
30-36	Now Fashion (ladieswear) 2014-	Roses Fashion Centre (ladieswear) / Medi-care (chemist) / Superdrug (chemist) / Inside Out (art shop)
38-40	Empty	Barrat Shoes closed 1985 / Going Places (travel agent) / Sony Centre (brown goods) / West End Shoes
42-44	Empty	Littlewoods (department store) / McDonalds (takeaway) 1984-2013
46-48	Empty	Littlewoods (department store) / McDonalds (takeaway) 1984-2013
50-52	99p Mart	Littlewoods (department store) / Our Price (music store) 1990-95
54-56	Greggs (bakers)	Marilyn of London (ladieswear) 1963-70 / Olivers (bakers & restaurant) opened 1984 / Bakers Oven (rebranded Greggs 2008)
58-60	Specsavers	??? Shoes / Dolcis (shoes) 1968-1985
62-64	Empty	James Walker (jewellers) / Carphone Warehouse (phone shop) closed 2011
66-68	Empty	Salisburys (luggage) closed 1990s / Phones4U (phone shop) closed 2014
70-72	Mallard Jewellers & Pawnbrokers	Lewis Seperates (clothes) 1960-65 rebranded Chelsea Girl 1965-1985
74-76	Mallard Jewellers & Pawnbrokers	John Walton (menswear) / John Kent (schoolwear) / Bristol & West (building society) closed 2005 / Britannia (building society)
78-80	Shoe Zone 2014-	Davants (home furnishings) 1960-64 / Hardy & Co (home furnishings) / Harris Carpets / Next (clothes) closed 2011 / Priceless Shoes closed 2013 / Independent Clothing Store
82	Vision Express (opticians)	Kellys Radio (brown goods) 1960-1980 / Exchange Travel (travel agent) / Hogg Robinson Travel (travel agent)
84	Empty	Dorothy Perkins (ladieswear) 1960s-85 / Jewellers Guild (jewellers) 1993-95 / Future Zone (Computer Games) / Electronic Boutique (computer games) / Game (computer games) / My Choice (ladieswear) closed 2014
86	EE (phone shop)	True Form (shoes) / Manfields (shoes) closed 1990 / Our Price Video 1990-94 / Playhouse Video 1994-97 / AllSports (sports) closed 2005 / T-Mobile (phones) 2005-2012
88	Southgate House (offices) 1996-	Keay House (offices) 1959-1996 (renamed)
90	Nationwide Building Society	Shalets (ladieswear) closed 1980s
92	JD Sports	Shalets (ladieswear) / True Form (shoes) / Miss Poly Shop (ladieswear)
94	The Card Factory	Burton Tailoring (menswear) 1960s-1985 / Adams (childrenswear)
96	The Works (book and gift shop)	Bata (shoes) / Shoe Save
98	Empty	John Collier (menswear) / Clinton Cards (card shop) / Party Zone closed 2014
100	3 Store (phone shop)	D.Russell (jewellers) / Bishops (jewellers) / The Link (phone shop)
102	O2 (phone shop)	Crombey (men and boyswear) 1960-61 / Millets (camping store)
104	H Samuel	North Thames Gas (gas appliances)
106-114	Primark 1999-	Grays Co-operative Society 1961-67 (department store) / London Co-operative Society (1967-1980s) / Living (Co-operative department store) 1980s-1995
1	Marks & Spencers 1971-
3-5	BHS (Burtons/Dorothy Perkins/Wallis)	Taylors of Basildon (department store) / Army & Navy (department store)
7	Bon Marche 2014-	D.Russell (jewellers) / Mark One (clothes) / Internacionale (clothes)
9	99p Store 2013-	Cater Brothers (supermarket) / Presto (supermarket) / Primark (clothes) closed 1999 / Peacocks (clothes) closed 2011
19	Barclays Bank 2012-	Fine Fare (supermarket) / Shoppers Paradise (supermarket) closed 1984 / Dixons (brown goods) 1984-2006 / Currys Digital (brown goods) 2006-10
21	Savers (home & beauty)	Timothy Whites (chemist) 1961-1968 / Boots (chemist) 1968-1981 / Blokker (household goods) / British Gas (gas appliances) / Millets (camping gear)
21a	Stuff For Free (charity exchange)	Timothy Whites (chemist) 1961-1968 / Boots (chemist) 1968-1981 / Blokker (household goods) / British Gas (gas appliances) / Music Box (Music & DVD) / Books for Free
23a	CeX (2nd hand technology) 2011-	Woolworths 1961-2008
23b	Poundland 2009-	Woolworths 1961-2008
25	Boots (chemist) 1980-	J Sainsburys 1960-1980
27	Boots (chemist) 1983-	Timothy Whites (homeware) 1970-1983
29	W H Smith (newsagent & Post Office)1961-
31	W H Smith 1985-	Richards (ladieswear) 1961-85
33	HSBC (bank)	Eastern Electricity (electrical appliances) 1962-92 / Powerhouse (electrical appliances) 1992-2003
Pavilion 1	Toni & Guy (hairdresser) 1999-
Pavilion 2	Costa (coffee shop)

• Location - East Walk. First phase 1958. Second Phase 1961.

Building No.	Current Store	Previous Store
2	Metro Bank 2014-	Barclays Bank 1961-2012
4	Metro Bank 2014-	Shepherds Restaurant 1961-63 / Red Lion (chinese restaurant) 1963-64 / How Wah (chinese restaurant) / Barclays Bank
6	Metro Bank 2014-	Timpson Shoes / Shoe Zone closed 2014
8-10	Poundworld 2011-	Alex Superstore (supermarket) 1961-65 / Tesco (supermarket) 1965-1971 / The Carpet Warehouse / Topman & Topshop closed 2000 / Premiere Music / Topshop & Topman closed 2011
12	Poundworld 2011-	Civic Stores Ltd (brown goods) 1961-75 / The Oven Door (bakers) / Gamestation (computer games) closed 2011
14-20	Poundworld 2011-	Bearmans - The Childrens Shop (Clothes & Toys) / Wimpy (restaurant) / Burger King (restaurant) closed 2011
28	Halifax	Leaders Fashions (part of Debenhams - clothes) 1962-64 / LF Stones & Sons (clothes) 1964-66 / Taylors Furnishing Stores 1966-72 / Godfreys (chemist & photography) opened 1972-90s / Xmas Shop
30	Halifax	Leaders Fashions (part of Debenhams - clothes) 1962-64 / LF Stones & Sons (clothes) 1964-66 / Taylors Furnishing Stores 1966-72 / Godfreys (chemist & photography) opened 1972-90s / Xmas Shop
32	Halifax	Leaders Fashions (part of Debenhams - clothes) 1962-64 / LF Stones & Sons (clothes) 1964-66 / Taylors Furnishing Stores 1966-72 / Godfreys (chemist & photography) opened 1972-90s / Xmas Shop
34	Empty	Manfield (shoes) / Mayflower Wools / Zoom the Loom (soft furnishings) / Better Choice (market store) closed 2014
36	Empty	National Provincial Bank 1960-1969 / National Westminster Bank / Leeds Permenant (building society) / Zoom the loom (soft furnishings) / Better Choice (market store) closed 20014
38	Cafe Cinco (cafe)	Rediffusion (tv rentals) 1964-85 / Granada (tv rentals) / Travelcare (rebranded Co-op Travel) closed 2012
40	Books for Free	Eastern Carpet Stores / Zenith Windows
42	Books for Free	Foster Brothers (menswear) / Zenith Windows
44	Greggs (bakers)	Clarks (Peter Lord) 1965-85
46	Crazy Dans House of Meat (butchers) 2011-	Hepworths (taylors) / Bernard Chapman (florist) / Jane Marie Florists
48	Empty	Bellmans Wool / Harry Fenton (menswear) / Lunn Poly (travel agent) / Thomson (travel agent)
50	Empty	Hadlands/Sankeys (DIY) / Bambers (ladieswear) / The Price Slasher (discount furniture) / Rosebys (soft furnishings)
52	Empty	Sketchley Cleaners (dry cleaners) / Bambers (ladieswear) / The Price Slasher (discount furniture) / Rosebys (soft furnishings)
54	Empty	Willerby (tailors) / Top Footwear for Men / Rug World closed 2006 / Xmas Shop
56	G.T Law Solictors	Lillie & Skinner (shoes) / Sweetie (newsagent) / HFC Bank / Household Bank / Beneficial Finance closed 2010
58	Empty	ER Goodrich (hardware) / Vernon Collard (electrical sales) / Home Cinema Stores (electrical sales) closed 2012
60	Empty	Starr Fashions (ladieswear) / Godfrey (jewellers) / Harris (jewellers) / Vernon Collard (electrical sales) / Home Cinema Stores (electrical sales) closed 2012
62	Empty	Derwent (tv rentals) 1965-85 / Bennetts (electrical sales) / Holmes Pearman (estate agents) closed 2014
1	Empty	Achille Serre (dry cleaners) / The Card Centre (cards) / Dolland & Aitchinson (opticians) / Mr Simms (sweets) closed 2014
3	Cash Converters (2nd hand good)	J W Adams (opticians) 1960-69 / Hudson Verity (optician) / Wigmores (opticians) / Dolland & Aitchinson (opticians) closed 2010
5	Empty	Stone Dry (raincoats) / Cheltenham & Gloucester (bank)
7	Empty	Gaiety Fashions (ladieswear) / Levys of Stratford (clothes) / Bankrupt Stock Clearence (general goods) / Mister Byrites (menswear) 1969-85 / Papertalk (goft shop)
9	Cancer Research (charity shop)	Nigel Stores (kids clothes) / Stylo Shoes
11	Percy Ingle (bakers)	Austin the Taylors
13	Betfred (bookies)	Lloyds Bank
15	Gallery Gifts (giftshop)	Rumbelows (electrical goods) / Dowdall & Jordan (furniture)
17-19	Simply4home (home furnishings)	Wrights (furniture) / Neils Furnishers / HW Stone (electrical goods) / Discount Master (furnishings)
21	Salvation Army (charity shop) 2013-	Freeman Hardy Willis (shoes) closed 1985 / Scott Taylor (jewellers)
23	PDSA (charity shop)	Burneys (soft furnishings) / Maytime (soft furnishings) / Sharps (fitted bedrooms)
25	Empty	Barringtons (tailor) 1959-74 / Dixons Cameras 1974-84 / Soundzone Records / AW Rust (leatherwear) / Chitter Chatter 2012-13
27	Natwest (bank)	E R Goodrich (hardware)
29	Natwest (bank)	Keith Royle (carpets) / Westminister Bank
31	Natwest (bank)	Harry Fenton (menswear)
33	Empty	Harry Fenton (menswear)1959-67 / Godfreys (Photographics) 1967-72 / Basildon Hearing Centre / K Shoes / The Fabric Factory / Tasty Bites (cornish pasties) closed 2014
35	Char Latte (cafe)	Godfreys (chemist) 1960-72 / K Shoe Shop / The Fabric Factory
37	Empty	Gowers & Son (bakers) / Bartons (bakers) / Tooks (bakers) / Alliance & Leicester (building society) / Santander (bank) closed 2014
39	Weston Opticians	John Manson (butchers) 1961-70 / ???
41	Ocean Fish Bar	Raymond Warr (greengrocer) 1960-70 / ???
43	Empty	Garons (supermarket) closed 1976 / Moores Stores (supermarket) / Superdrug / Basildon Stores (market shop) / Home Curtains & Bedding / ??? Discount Ladies Clothes / Xmas Shop
45	Empty	Garons (supermarket) closed 1976 / Moores Stores (supermarket) / Superdrug / Basildon Stores (market shop) / Home Curtains & Bedding / ??? Discount Ladies Clothes / Xmas Shop
47	Santander (bank)	Stewards (various) 1959-65 / Mothercare (baby ghoods) 1965-80 / The Bike Shop 1984-87 / Abbey National (bank)

• Location - Eastgate Shopping Centre Opened 1980.

Unit	Current Store	Previous Stores
Unit 1	Claires Accessories	Ratners (jewellers - opened 1985)
Unit 2	Thomas Cook	Been Thomas Cook since opened 1980
Unit 3	Warren James Jewellers
Unit 4	The Fragrance Shop	Baxters Butchers
Unit 5	Tiane Marie (Ladies Clothes)	Crackerjack (ladies clothes) 1980-84 / Footlocker (sports) / Jewell Nation 2000-11
Unit 6	Thorntons (Chocolatier)	Honeysuckle (plants) 1980-84 / Glades (Wool & Haberdashery)
Unit 7a	Timpsons (locksmiths)	Bearmans (jewellers)
Unit 7b	Herbal Inn (chinese herb shop)	Bearmans (jewellers) / Abbey National (1996)
Unit 7c	Angel Beauty Bar	Bearmans (jewellers)
Unit 8	Linen Direct	Charsley (shoe shop) / Index (catalogue shop) closed 2002
Unit 9	Linen Direct	Charsley (shoe shop) / Index (catalogue shop) closed 2002
Unit 10	Superdrug	Harris Furnishing
Main Store	Asda Supercentre	Savacentre 1980-2002
Unit 11	Trespass (outdoor clothing)	Edmund Wilkes (optician) / Beez Neez (clothes) / Sports & Soccer / Sports World
Unit 12	Trespass (outdoor clothing)	The Fountain (restaurant/bakers) / The Bakers Oven/The Lite Bite (restaurant/bakers) / Sports & Soccer / Sports World
Unit 13	Empty	Kellys (brown goods) / Bon Marche (ladies clothes) closed 2014
Unit 14	Empty	Holland & Barrett (health food) / Bon Marche (ladies clothes) closed 2014
Unit 15	Virgin Media (phone shop)	Paper Back World / Optical Express / Early Learning Centre
Unit 16	Socialites (electronic cigarrettes)	Cresta Cards / ???
Unit 17	Hot Shots (barbers)	Colourama (photo developing) / ???
Unit 18	Minx Clothing	Act 1 (ladies clothing) / ???
Unit 19	Empty	Evans (ladies clothing) / Accessorise
Unit 20	H & M	Frisby (shoe shop) / Focus Shoes / All:Sports
Unit 21	H & M	Mothercare 1980-2002 / Ethel Austin 2002-2006
Unit 22	HMV/Waterstones 2001-	C & A 1980-2000
Unit 23	New Look	C & A 1980-2000
Unit 24	Top Man	Burtons / Miss Selfridge
Unit 25	Top Shop	Dorothy Perkins / Miss Selfridge
Unit 26	Select (ladies clothes)	Dolcis (shoes)
Unit 27	Empty	Lesley Davies
Unit 28	Menkind (miscellaneous gadgets)	Olympus (sports) / West Coast (ladies fashion closed 2013)
Unit 29	Clarkes	Etam (ladies clothes)
Unit 30	Treds (shoes)	Monsoon (ladies clothes)
Unit 31	Clinton Cards	Barratts (shoes)
Unit 32	Yours (ladieswear)2014-	Mister Byrite (mens clothes) / Base (mens/boys clothes) closed 2014
Unit 33	Yours (ladieswear) 2014-	Mister Byrite (mens clothes) / Base (mens/boys clothes) closed 2014
Unit 34	Build a Bear	Mister Byrite (mens clothes)
Unit 35	Empty	Mister Byrite (mens clothes) / Jane Norman (ladies clothes closed 2014)
Unit 36	Empty	The AA / The Golf Centre
Unit 37a	Supercuts (hairdressers)	Wendy Hamburgers / Butterflies Diner
Unit 37b	Empty	Wendy Hamburgers / Butterflies Diner / Jewellers
Unit 37c	Coral (bookmaker)	Wendy Hamburgers / Butterflies Diner
Unit 38	Mr Simms (sweet shop)	Ladies clothes shop
Unit 39	GNC (food suppliments)	Music Box / James Belloved (loose food)
Unit 40	Orginality (photo studio)	BT Shop?? / Foot Spa??
Unit 41	Body Shop	?? / Holland & Barrett
Unit 42	Co-op Travel	Opticians??
Department Store	Debenhams	Allders (department store) 1985-2005
Unit 44	Superdry (clothes)	Virgin Megastore
Unit 45	iCandy (card shop)	Ottakers / Waterstones
Unit 46	Game	??
Unit 47	Carphone Warehouse	??
Unit 48	Ernest Jones
Unit 49	Starbucks Coffee	???
Unit 49	The Perfume Shop	???
Unit 50	USC (clothes)	Ravel (shoes)
Unit 51	Evans (ladies clothes)	???
Unit 52	Holland & Barrett	???
Unit 53	Next	Burtons / Dorothy Perkins
Unit 54	Vodaphone	???
Unit 55	Ann Summers	???
Unit 56	The Card Factory	Woolfmans (brown goods)
Unit 57	Diechmanns (shoes)	Clinton Cards
Unit 58	River Island (clothes)	Chelsea Girl (clothes)
Unit 60	Belleza Beauty	???
Unit 61	Blue inc (clothes)	???
Unit 62	Blue inc (clothes)	???
Unit 63	Clarkes (shoes)	???
Unit 64	Base Kids (clothes)	???
Unit 65	Rush Hair	???
Unit 80-81	Burger King	Spoils (kitchen shop) / Virgin Megastore
Unit 82-83	NOSH (cafe)	Spoils (kitchen shop)
Unit 84	Subway (sandwich store)	Spoils (kitchen shop)
Unit 85	99p Store (discount store)	????
Unit 86	Domo (luggage)	????
Unit 87	Next (clothes)	???
Unit 88	Next (clothes)B	???
Unit 89	Next (clothes)	???
Unit 90	Empty	??? / Amy Childs Boutique (clothes)
Unit 91	Eastgate Art Centre	??? / ??? Sports shop
Unit 92	Eastgate Art Centre	??? / ??? Sports shop
Unit 93	GYM4ALL	TK Maxx / ???

Navbox

If a navbox for Basildon District is needed, then it should be created as a template rather than as content in this article - though I see there's been thought no need for it at Basildon or Borough of Basildon. And when creating a template, as elsewhere, please check that all your links go to the right place: De La Salle School led to a disambiguation page before I fixed it just now. Thanks. PamD 13:29, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. The article is very much a work in progress. Recently survived AfD where it attracted lots of editors pointing out what was wrong with it but 0 editors wishing to anything about it! Ulcerspar12 (talk) 16:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)