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I was looking for information to compare cricket and baseball for my students and read some parts of this article. The section "Distinctive elements" comes across to me more as "Why we (the authors) think baseball is better than other sports". Anyway, I just wanted to leave the feedback. I got the info I needed, so thanks! --Boy.pockets (talk) 05:09, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

There is no mention of International Rules baseball, still played in South Wales and on Merseyside. The governing body for the game in England is the English Baseball Association, http://www.englishbaseballassociation.co.uk. ZoeinDerby — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZoeinDerby (talk • contribs) 11:12, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

This article is locked, so please have somebody with proper authorization make the following correction. Re the comment, "No major league team had been located west of St. Louis until 1958, when the Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants relocated to Los Angeles and San Francisco, respectively"; obviously, Kansas City (1955) is west of St. Louis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.208.220 (talk) 18:06, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

A little late, unfortunately, but there is an article Comparison of cricket and baseball. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:08, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

MLB Historian revises baseball history?

Seems to me that the beginning of this page need a rewrite according to this recent article. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/13/sports/baseball/13thorn.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=John%20Thorn&st=cse Ckruschke (talk) 15:29, 14 March 2011 (UTC)Ckruschke

Edit request on 17 December 2011

Baseball was not only created by those games, baseball also originated from an English game called 'Rounders'.

Thanks, Brendan823rocks Brendan823rocks (talk) 21:50, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Already mentioned in the article, and more in Origins of baseball--Jac16888 ^Talk 21:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Nine Players??

Although many leagues constitute within their rules, the "nine player" team, can't a simple game be played with less, or more players than that? Many kids play baseball every day with less than nine players, and is the game they are playing not baseball? Move to add in the first sentence, and in the "Rules" section: usually played with nine players.--JOJ ^Hutton 19:52, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Comment Disagree - an "official" game is played with 9 players so therefore the sentence should be left as is. Kids play loose with the rules of many games - just because we see sandlot football games of 4 on 4 and bball games of 3 on 3 doesn't mean that official games aren't played with 11 and 5, respectively, on a side. Ckruschke (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

But is a game played with less than 9 players, not baseball? It is by just about any standard. It may not be played with all the same rules, but each league develops its own rules,and each leagues rules are not always the same as another. Could not rules developed by kids on a playground, not still be considered baseball?--JOJ ^Hutton 14:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Of course they could still be considered baseball, just as kids playing hoops three-on-three with their own rules could still be considered basketball, but that's not what an encyclopedia definition is for. We're here to explain what baseball is "by the book"—and the kids, as they have throughout human history, can do with it out in the world whatever they like.—DCGeist (talk) 20:55, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Define "by the book", because I failed to see that MOS or guideline. Where does it say that we have to do that? If a simple game with less than nine players could still be considered baseball, then what is the harm with saying "usually played with nine players"? It still defines the same information without constraining the reader into a single definition that will not always apply. In fact, I bet more games of "baseball" are played every year with less than nine players than with exactly nine--JOJ ^Hutton 00:15, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

So..."usually" would be wrong then, wouldn't it? As for your initial behest, not everything we do has been codified in the MOS or some other guideline. Wikipedia is, above everything else, an encyclopedia—part of our job is understanding what purpose a given encyclopedia article serves. Here, as Bugs suggests, that involves a focus on defining the standard form of the sport. That's a matter of editorial judgment, informed by a familiarity with other encyclopedias and reference sources.—DCGeist (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

There is, or used to be, a section on variations of the game, of which there are many: softball, stickball, kickball, English baseball, rounders, etc. A fair analogy would be American football, which typically has 11 players per side, but some versions use 7 players. And kids having an open field with no equipment except a football or soccer ball can still play those games, only with local modifications. I think what we're talking about here is "organized" sports on various levels, but it would be fair to mention variations in passing. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:28, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

As we do in the Rules and gameplay section: "Children's games are often scheduled for fewer than nine innings"; "many amateur games are played on unfenced fields"; "Children's games often have more liberal substitution rules." I could see rephrasing the first to something like, "Many amateur games involve different numbers of players and innings."—DCGeist (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Sure, that's fair. In fact, it used to be true, and maybe still is, that minor leagues may limit the second game of a doubleheader to 7 innings. And I recall amateur leagues that allowed courtesy runners for the pitchers when they would get on base. But those facts were encoded in the organized rules. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:42, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Some leagues even have rules for a tenth player, a rover, or an extra outfielder. And lets not forget the designated hitter. Is he not also a player? That would also make 10 players. So nine is not really an accurate number in some baseball games, even organized ones.--JOJ ^Hutton 13:07, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Not exactly. As with football, where the offense and the defense each have 11 players at a given time, so it is with baseball. At any given time, the fielders total 9, and the batting order totals 9, except they aren't necessarily the same identical 9. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:57, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Pursuant to this discussion, I've made an edit to the first graf of the Rules and gameplay section along the lines of what I proposed above: diff.—DCGeist (talk) 21:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Works great for me. Thanks for fleshing that out DCGeist. Ckruschke (talk) 02:29, 25 February 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

WBC

Should the World Baseball Classic be mentioned in the lead, maybe after the leagues?--Cattus ^talk 20:38, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

My feeling is: no. After two iterations, it has yet to establish itself as an event important enough to an understanding of baseball to warrant mention in the lede. Either way, this comes down to a question of editorial judgment, so let's hope other people weigh in with their opinions and see if there's a consensus one way or the other —DCGeist (talk) 20:49, 23 February 2012 (UTC)out there.

Agreed. We've discussed this in the past with a similar "no" answer. Ckruschke (talk) 18:04, 19 March 2012 (UTC)Ckruschke

It's little more than a novelty event. Maybe someday it will be considered highly significant, but not yet. Keep in mind also that there has been a World Cup of Baseball for generations now, which draws almost no attention. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:24, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Origins

I've posted a comment in the article Origins of Baseball, but just so it doesn't get unnoticed, I'd like post a brief mention here. Perhaps someone has courage to incorporate it into the article. Essentially British historian theorizes that baseball originated in Poland: http://books.google.com/books?id=9Tbed6iMNLEC&lpg=PA205&ots=h-pgExnT22&pg=PA205#v=snippet&q=%22palant%2C%20for%20the%20invention%20of%20Baseball%22&f=false --Spec (talk) 05:23, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

This page states: "The earliest known reference to baseball is in a 1744 British publication, A Little Pretty Pocket-Book, by John Newbery." I just found a reference to baseball that's 32 years older (1712). It appears on p. 142 of "The Art Melodious," by Louis Lombard (1712). This book is available on line. To view the page in question: http://books.google.com/books?id=PRk5AQAAIAAJ&pg=PA142&lpg=PA142&dq=base-ball&source=bl&ots=m-TOoSQji5&sig=d5iWzmuMI8n7Ph5u1D_2VFjOvF8&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bWd1UJH9EoSg8gTokoGoDA&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=base-ball&f=false I'll check back here in a couple of days and if no one has found a problem with this finding, I will edit this page to reflect it. Koolokamba (talk) 12:18, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

The colophon indicates that it was published in 1897, not 1712. It also includes a photograph of the author, which would not have been possible in the 1700s. Mindmatrix 14:04, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for being more careful than I am! 72.152.233.244 (talk) 16:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

History of Bats

I have completed a section on the history of baseball bats to add to this section. can someone please allow me to add it to this entry, it is for a school project and as of right now i am unable to add my section to this entry. i have some interesting stuff on the history of bats and you can see what i want to add in my sandbox. stkrmi77 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC).

Do you have reliable sources for the content you wish to add? If so, please list them here so we can determine whether or not it meets Wikipedia's standards. Thanks.--JayJasper (talk) 17:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

It does look like you've put together some interesting information, stkrmi. However, as Jay says, it all needs to be cited to reliable sources. Also, it doesn't belong in this article, which is a general summary overview of the history and rules and cultural impact of baseball. What you've assembled is very detailed information that properly belongs in our topical article baseball bat. Best, Dan.—DCGeist (talk) 04:49, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree w/ DCGeist that the Baseball bat article is a more appropriate venue for Stkrmi77's content (which is interesting indeed).That is contingent, of course, on providing reliable sources to establish the credibility of the information (see WP:V & WP:NOR).--JayJasper (talk) 05:32, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Here are my sources:

1. 1) Block, :David. Baseball Before We Knew It. 1st ed. 5. Lincoln, Nebraska: University of Nebraska Press, 2005. 67-79. Print.
2. 2) Morris, Peter. A Game of Inches. Chicago: ISBN, 2006. 16.3.1-16.3.7. Print.
3. 3) "Year in Review: 2010 American League/National League." Baseball Almanac. Baseball Almanac, 2012. Web. 1 Apr 2012. <http://www.baseball-almanac.com/yearly/yr2010a.shtml>.
4. 4) Crasnick, Jerry. "Justin Verlander named AL MVP." ESPN. ESPN.com news services, 21 Nov 2011. Web. 1 Apr 2012. <http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7265534/cy-young-winner-justin-verlander-detroit-tigers-wins-al-mvp>.
5. 5) Bloom, Barry. "Owners approve two rule changes." MLB. MLB.com, 15 Jan 2009. Web. 1 Apr 2012. <http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090115&content_id=3746071&fext=.jsp&cid=mlb>.
7. 6) Anonymous. "Play it Again?." 9.109 (2009): 7. Web. 1 Apr. 2012. <http://search.proquest.com.ezproxy.drew.edu/pqrl/docview/196410783/135BAD17A8461164910/6?accountid=10558>.
8. 7) Hill, Bob. Telephone Interview. 31 May 2000.
9. 8) Leventhal, Josh. "MLB Imposes Maple Bat Ban In Minors." Baseball America. 1 Mar 2010: n. page. Web. 1 Apr. 2012. <http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/business/2010/03/mlb-imposes-maple-bat-ban-in-minors/>.
10. 9) Mussill, Bernie. "The Evolution of the Baseball Bat." Oldtyme Baseball News. 4.2 (2000): n. page. Web. 19 Apr. 2012. <http://www.stevetheump.com/Bat_History.htm>. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stkrmi77 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

That's great. Now take it over to baseball bat, like both Jay and I have advised, and get crackin'.—DCGeist (talk) 06:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, those appear to be valid sources, with the exception of #7. Unless there is a written transcript of the telephone interview printed in a reliable source, it is Original research. The others look fine, though. Very good job. If you need help with formatting the citations (although you seem to have the gist of it), try ProveIt or leave a message on my talk page, I'll be happy to assist.--JayJasper (talk) 19:16, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Please specify the rules regarding placement of the other 7 defensive players.

OK, we have defined the pitcher and the catcher, followed by the remark "The rest of the team faces home plate, typically arranged as ..." and the standard 4-infielder / 3-outfielder setup. Aside from the pitcher and catcher, all the rules have to say about placement of the defensive players is that they can station themselves anywhere on fair territory. Try a comment to that effect, because on rare occasions we see a "shift"; one example of a shift is putting the shortstop over to the other side of 2nd base. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.63.16.82 (talk) 16:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

There is a topical article on Baseball rules to goes into this. Certainly, no one else in the past three years has felt it was necessary to add to this general overview article, so unless there's a detectable shift in sentiment, I think it's best to leave it as is.—DCGeist (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Please specify what constitutes a "run" in the opening paragraph.

The opening paragraph is a very accessible introduction to the form of the game. However the definition of a run would be useful here, otherwise it stands as an undefined term until sometime later in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.130.38 (talk) 14:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Diamond

Trying to figure out the best solution for the recent back-and-forth about "diamond" versus "square". The problem is that the word "diamond" was linked to diamond (shape), which is a redirect to rhombus. Of course a baseball diamond is a rhombus, but not a general one; it is specifically a square.

I'm completely against a solution that might occur to somebody: Namely, write diamond but link it to square. No no no no no don't even think about it. Just don't do it. See WP:EGG.

So my intuition would be to remove the link entirely (we're not talking about geometry here; we're talking about sports). The only question is, will everyone understand what a diamond is, in context? If not, maybe add a few words ("a square tilted at an angle") or some such. --Trovatore (talk) 18:34, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a parenthetical aside stating that although the shape is a square, that part of the field is always referred to as the "diamond". And I agree, no links. Carptrash (talk) 18:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Funny grammar

From the article: A player bats at home plate and must proceed counterclockwise to first base, second base, third base, and back home (...) Many similar examples elsewhere. Why do the bases and the home plate never get a definite article where correct grammar would otherwise demand one? 81.227.20.220 (talk) 14:14, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Interesting — I never really thought about it. My intuition is that these terms sort of play the role of place names — it's not the first base among four bases, but rather it's First Base, an (abstract) place. But then they should be capitalized, which they're not.

Anyway, we really shouldn't be discussing it here unless it in some way affects the quality of the article. You might ask at WP:Reference desk/Language. --Trovatore (talk) 20:49, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Opening paragraph

Hi, I question whether "Baseball, like softball, is unlike most other competitive sports in that the defense is given control of the ball" is the second most important thing to be said about baseball. I stalled for some time at this very early stage in the article, puzzling over whether / why this was true. I would be more than happy to see this rather obscure proposition buried deep in the article. 86.160.87.28 (talk) 20:36, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Re: Popularity

The notion that baseball popularity is falling behind football is not completely factual.

Baseball is televised regionally, while football is broadcast nationally. A national survey is not exactly how this subject should be asked….. Instead the survey should be conducted in each baseball and football markets, ex. Are there more baseball or football fans in the Boston or New York or Los Angeles areas. I'm sure you will find that in a regional based survey baseball will win hands down.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-theory-that-baseball-is-dying-is-a-total-myth-2013-10

Pocketjr (talk) 16:49, 12 December 2013 (UTC) pocketjr

Origins of Baseball mis-information

Joseph Smith is I believe the first recorded player of "Town-Ball" in the United States, in 1830, almost a decade before the article's statement of the first American to be recorded in playing "Town-Ball" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.255.94.254 (talk) 15:17, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Incorrect grammar

It should be "the team with MORE runs", not "most runs". "More" is comparative and used for two teams; "most" implies three or more teams. However, this may be another part of grammar that Americans have destroyed, so it might be technically correct nowadays. I hope not, but appreciate that language evolves.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.118.45 (talk • contribs)

Resolved by using greater number of, which may or may not be better. Mindmatrix 14:38, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Bad Sentence Structure

The sentence "A player on the batting team can stop at any of the bases and later advance on a teammate's hit or other means." is a little unclear to me. Maybe the sentence can be cleared up? Buscus 3 (talk) 16:29, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:59, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps change the sentence so it's clear that runners stop after each hit appropriately and after special means so it doesn't sound like they walk around and on a whim, stop at third and then wait for the next hit. (Buscus 3 (talk) 06:12, 20 April 2014 (UTC))

Exactly what do you want the sentence to say? I should be able to copy and paste it from your message into the article. Jackmcbarn (talk) 14:35, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure exactly, but I suggested it for better sentence structure. Buscus 3 (talk) 01:21, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

In any case, you're autoconfirmed now, so you can edit it yourself now. Jackmcbarn (talk) 01:36, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2014

Every sport's team of every kind and pedigree should always include one physically challenged player during every contest.

Please SHARE.75.0.237.139 (talk) 00:51, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 01:05, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Position Numbering

I do not have a source to back this, but does the DH get assigned the number 1 even though he does not play on the field? Joey Gallo (talk) 00:10, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Confusing diagram

This diagram is confusing because, while I realise it is primarily intended to depict fielding positions, one naturally assumes that the labels "1B FIRST BASE", "2B SECOND BASE" and "3B THIRD BASE" are in the positions of the respective bases. It seems from other diagrams (including one later in this article) that "second base" is not in the position shown, but is actually at the corner of the square. As this diagram is the first thing one sees when one comes to the article, I feel it really ought to be clearer. 86.160.83.253 (talk) 19:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The diagram is labeled as the nine fielding positions. I'm not sure I'm in love the digram itself or why it needs to be at the top of the page, but I don't think it's confusing. Ckruschke (talk) 19:42, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Ckruschke

That may be because you are already familiar with the layout of a baseball field. Try to put yourself in the position of someone who knows nothing whatsoever about baseball. Don't you think they might assume that second base is located at, um, the position labelled "SECOND BASE"? 86.160.83.253 (talk) 20:01, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I think the issue is that the diagram fails to distinguish between the player and the location on the field, that is "first base" vs "first baseman" or "right field" vs "right fielder". Mindmatrix 20:24, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

The second baseman doesn't stand behind the second base, but several feet to one side, and the shortstop stands on the other side.

The person is trying to say that the diagram should say second baseman instead of second base. Joey Gallo (talk) 00:11, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2015

typo Dean2000harper (talk) 21:00, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

 Not done No clear request submitted. Please make the request in the form of "please change X to Y".--JayJasper (talk) 21:07, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

No prominent picture of a ball field?

I just had a quick suggestion to make - it seems odd that to find just a picture of a (real) baseball field, you have to scroll down pretty far, and then it's only a very small picture. IMO, to someone who knows nothing of baseball, the 2D diagrams wouldn't give a good idea of what a ball field looks like in real life. Shouldn't something like this be a bit more prominent? Brightnsalty (talk) 22:09, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I did it. There is a picture of a baseball game at the top now, and the diagram of positions has been relocated lower.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 06:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Equipment

It says you need a bat, ball, glove, bases(field). But what about a helment? I suggest that you add a helment to the equipment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jroles7 (talk • contribs) 20:28, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

A helmet is required by rule at certain levels of the game, but it is not absolutely necessary to play baseball. It isn't wise to play without a helmet, but it is possible.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 13:35, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015

In the 2nd paragraph of this wiki, please change: The OFFENSE attempts to score runs by hitting a ball ...

TO: The BATTING TEAM attempts to score runs by hitting a ball ...

(The first paragraph stated there are two player states: batting and fielding. The 2nd paragraph introduces a new term, offense, without any indication that this is another descriptor for the batting state.

Maybe this variation would be better: The batting team (offense) attempts to score runs by hitting a ball ...

However, doing so opens up another can of worms. Maybe the first sentence should be recast from this: Baseball is a bat-and-ball game played between two teams of nine players each who take turns batting and fielding.

To this: Baseball is a bat-and-ball game played between two teams of nine players each who take turns batting (OFFENSE) and fielding (DEFENSE).

The 3rd paragraph uses the terms "batting team" and "fielding team". These terms should be used consistently throughout, and other words/terms should not be included willy-nilly. Or, based on my proposed change to the 1st paragraph, the terms BATTING TEAM and FIELDING TEAM can be consistently replaced with OFFENSE and DEFENSE, respectively (starting from the 2nd paragraph.)

I have not read this wiki in entirety, and I guess the terms BATTING TEAM and FIELDING TEAM are used throughout. I think as long as my initial change request is implemented, it will help enough that the entire wiki can remain as is since the confusion about offense/defense will be adequately relieved in the 2nd paragraph.

Scottmeltzer (talk) 00:17, 24 October 2015 (UTC)

Done, see here. —Skyllfully ^(talk | _contribs) 19:46, 26 October 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2015

I would like to change to picture that shows angel stadium to dodger stadium

198.72.247.206 (talk) 23:45, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Rationale? Cannolis (talk) 02:00, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 February 2017

It is possible to record two outs in the course of the same play—a double play. Even three—a triple play—is possible, though this is very rare. Players put out or retired must leave the field, returning to their team's dugout or bench. A runner may be stranded on base when a third out is recorded against another player on the team. Stranded runners do not benefit the team in its next turn at bat—every half-inning begins with the bases empty of runners.

In this short paragraph, there are four dashes. Would you please replace the last one with a semicolon? 208.95.51.115 (talk) 13:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC) 208.95.51.115 (talk) 13:09, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Got rid of all the dashes. Ckruschke (talk) 15:03, 10 February 2017 (UTC)Ckruschke

Note: Marking as answered. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:24, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

History Stuff

There doesn't seem to be enough information about rounders, the original sport that baseball came from. Bganter (talk) 02:30, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2017

www.espn.com.au/mlb/ Egan475 (talk) 05:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 05:11, 28 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2017

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2017

Aidenb876 (talk) 01:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Not done: no change requested. EricEnfermero (Talk) 01:53, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Well, then, I guess you did do it, didn't you? --Trovatore (talk) 02:09, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

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Length of game

It is not clear from the article that a 'regulation' game (where the statistics count) can be completed in less than nine innings. The MLB rule 7.01 covers this. Wikipedia does have an article that could be easily linked to that explains the concept is some detail. Mjpollard (talk) 14:14, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

Mjpollard - Feel free to Be Bold and make that change if you think it is necessary. Ckruschke (talk) 17:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)Ckruschke

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Finn Whipple is great at baseball — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.53.84.143 (talk) 15:37, 4 November 2017 (UTC)

Should the knuckleball be added as a type of pitch?70.48.151.245 (talk) 20:14, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit love

104.162.7.123 (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. L293D (☎ • ✎) 17:53, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Umpires

It seems to me that umpires are a third "team" in the sense that they participate in the game and critically influence its outcome. Very little (too little) is said about them here. Not mentioning them as part of the (professional) game in the lead seems like ignoring the obvious.72.16.99.93 (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2019 (UTC)

Great article!

I learned a lot about this game by reading this! Great work!--92.244.17.51 (talk) 22:06, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

Small ball

in terms of baseball. what is it? Setenzatsu (talk) 17:00, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

See Small ball (baseball). Mindmatrix 17:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Needs Better Research

Roman kids played #Baseball in the street - Year 1669 (lower right: pitcher, batter, and catcher) https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File_talk:Willem_Reuter_-_A_Roman_Market.jpg DrWJK (talk) 05:17, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Objectives of the batting team

The original text was"The objectives of the offensive team (batting team) are to hit the ball into the field of play, and to run the bases". I took the liberty of editing, as hitting the ball into the field of play is not an objective in itself, but only in the sense that it allows the runners to run the bases". So I added "allowing". Tavernsenses (talk) 08:06, 19 August 2019 (UTC)

Looks fine to me. Ckruschke (talk) 19:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)Ckruschke

Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2019

remove "games" from links that have a " 'YEAR' Olympic Games" = " 'YEAR' Summer Olympics" (there are at least 2) 2605:E000:9149:8300:8C87:DF05:4CAC:CAFF (talk) 00:54, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

 Question: why? Olympics and Olympic Games are used pretty much interchangeably aren't they? Is there a naming convention or some such I'm not aware of? NiciVampireHeart 07:25, 29 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Closing as nil response to my query in 3 days. Please feel free to re-open this request with further details by changing |answered=yes" to "|answered=no". Thanks, NiciVampireHeart 05:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Baseball is the best sport in the world. Suck it softball. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.61.6.154 (talk) 16:21, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

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Cincinnati Red Stockings

A Wikipedia article on the history of baseball does not mention the city of Cincinnati, Ohio. I hope this error is corrected immediately. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShelbyBell (talk • contribs) 07:42, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request1 August 2020 olivia

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Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2021

[Baseball Information {https://www.majhimarathi.com/baseball-information-in-marathi/}] 122.181.127.150 (talk) 12:29, 4 April 2021 (UTC)

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Bad hyperlink in Rules and Gameplay

It looks like there's a bad link in the Rules and gameplay section. In the third to last paragraph, "Force Play" and "Ground-Out" both reference the same hyperlink. Ground out should point to Ground_out_(baseball).

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Number of players on team, and average time length of games

I'd like to add the following pieces of information to the lead:

• The number of players on a team.
• The average time length of a game.

I'm not sure what would be the best way to do this in a way that we can all agree on. I don't see it as problematic to start off by saying there are nine players on a team (the OBR literally starts off by saying in Rule 1.01 that "Baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, under direction of a manager...", while also describing the DH later on), and then direct the reader's attention to the possibility of a DH later on in the article. But if we don't want to do that, some possibilities might include saying something to the effect of "the maximum number of players on a team is ten", "the minimum number of players on a team is nine", or "only nine players from a team can participate in any particular phase of the game" (given that only nine players can be in the batting order or field at a time).

As for the time length of a game, I'm not sure whether there are sources that can show what the average time length of all baseball games (MLB or not) are; I think one solution might be to provide links to sources for the average time length of:

• college baseball games
• MLB games
• games in other national baseball leagues
• international baseball games, etc.

which then may allow us to generalize and say that the game on average lasts three hours (if necessary, we can say that this average is only valid in the context of professional baseball). Any ideas or objections? GreekApple123 (talk) 06:07, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

The number of players on a team should be listed as nine. In leagues where the designated hitter is used, they can be seen as a de facto substitution that may undone between half-innings if there is no desire to change pitchers: there are exactly nine players on the field during the team's defensive half of the inning, and the lineup of potential baserunners during the team's offensive half of the inning is also nine. The logic is similar to why we say there are 11 players on an American football team: there are numerous substitutions, including what is technically a wholesale substitution of the offensive unit and the defensive unit depending on which team has the ball, but at any given time each team has 11 players on the field. Thus, for brevity, it makes the most sense to say that baseball is a game between two teams of nine players each, as it is concise and meshes with the official definition (MLB's and likely most other organizations'), and mentions of any sort of lineup substitutions, even if it is the de facto inclusion of a DH, that of a pinch runner, substitutions back into the game allowed in Little League, etc., are best discussed later in the article.

Similarly, mentioning the average length of a game seems unwieldy for the lead, as it varies between leagues. The topic seems to be addressed well in the "No clock to kill" section, but additional sources to expand that section would be good. --Kinu ^t/_c 00:31, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree with you that simply saying there are nine players is best, but User:BilCat, who did the original reversion, hasn't commented here supporting that. But he did sign off on the wording of "at least nine", as seen by his post-edit of my edit that added that wording in. So would you be willing to at least go with that wording for now, with the possibility of using the wording of "two teams of nine" later on if consensus is achieved for that? With your consent, we'd have an immediate consensus for putting "at least nine" in the lead. GreekApple123 (talk)

As there is no deadline, I feel it is more worthwhile to have others weigh in here to determine the best course of action rather than including that wording in the lead solely for the sake of doing so. --Kinu ^t/_c 21:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

This discussion has been open for two weeks. What are the odds of anyone else weighing in? GreekApple123 (talk) 03:33, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

IMO, putting in the average game time would be a terrible oversimplification and pretty much trivial information. As far as the number of player, if you say "at least nine" than you have to preface it by saying a "regulation/official" game (because its very easy to play with less than 9). I think if you just put in that a baseball "typically consists of nine players" (one to match each of the traditional positions) or something like that, that would suffice. Ckruschke (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the use of a phrase indicating "typically nine" is reasonable. --Kinu ^t/_c 05:44, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 21 February 2022

Link designated hitter 67.217.124.196 (talk) 05:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The first mention in the articleis already linked. BilCat (talk) 05:32, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 March 2022

Request to add Taiwan as popular sport in the country and Chinese Professional Baseball League and remove Cuba, not an Asian country under the section Baseball#Asia.223.25.74.34 (talk) 14:31, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

 Partly done please provide a reliable source for the sport being popular in Taiwan. I've moved Cuba from the Asia to the Caribbean section. >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 12:53, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Source:

References

Does it suffice? If not, please refer to Sport in Taiwan. 223.25.74.34 (talk) 14:41, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done ★Ama ^{TALK CONTRIBS} 15:17, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

Apple pie, baseball, & US flag photo

How is it that after all these years, nobody has added this photo?

I see it everywhere on wikipedia: on pages discussing American culture, American cuisine, patriotism, and of course apple pie and the US flag themselves. But ironically this photo is absent from an article discussing baseball (one of the 3 main features of the photo)! Why doesn't someone just add it?

Spiritoftheeast1993 (talk) 22:03, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Per MOS:PERTINENCE, I would question the inclusion of this image here and at the other mentioned locations (save for at {{American cuisine}}, where it could be considered appropriately representative). It seems decorative and somewhat hokey. --Kinu ^t/_c 17:52, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. BilCat (talk) 19:06, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Sucks 131.156.242.50 (talk) 19:19, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

Why? The photo doesn't even have Mom in it! BilCat (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2022 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 6 November 2022

Change:

"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when they are blowing in.[133]"

to:

"Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a hitter's park when the winds are blowing out, it becomes more of a pitcher's park when the winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in."

This would then be in agreement with the currently cited source which states "There is the pitcher's park version that occurs when the wind is blowing in off Lake Michigan. / And there is the hitter's haven that happens when the wind blows out." The winds blowing out are not off Lake Michigan.

Stevethk Stevethk (talk) 00:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Y - Done, but altered slightly to make a bit more sense. Wrigley Field, home of the Chicago Cubs, is known for its fickle disposition: a pitcher's park when the strong winds off Lake Michigan are blowing in, it becomes more of a hitter's park when they are blowing out. Skipple ☎ 00:37, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Origins

I'm not sure that it is accurate to say that the origins of baseball are difficult to trace with precision given the existence of a game with the same name and the same rules a early as 1744.

To reference the Wikipedia article on Rounders, the game that was originally called Base-ball:

"Played in England since Tudor times, it is referenced in 1744 in the children's book A Little Pretty Pocket-Book where it was called Base-Ball.[4] "

I suggest that this can be improved by merely cutting to the chase and presenting the "first known mention of the game of baseball... etc." Perhaps I will take a turn at bat and give it a try, as a previous editor has incorrectly identified the game as "bass-ball". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 240F:37:11D6:1:3401:1694:4276:5770 (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)