Talk:Barrau de Sescas

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Did you know... that Barrau de Sescas, a Gascon knight, was the first person appointed by an English king to a position titled admiral?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 20:19, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Barrau de Sescas, a Gascon knight, was the first person appointed by an English king to a position titled admiral? Source: "The first admiral appointed by an English k[ing] under that title was Barrau de Sescas, who on 1 Match 1295 received a commission as admiral of the fleet of Bayonne" from: Pryde, E. B.; Greenway, D. E.; Porter, S.; Roy, I. (23 February 1996). Handbook of British Chronology. Cambridge University Press. p. 134. ISBN 978-0-521-56350-5.
- ALT1: ... that one historian credits the appointment of Barrau de Sescas as an admiral as one of the wisest actions of Edward I of England and John II, Duke of Brittany? Source: "the appointment of Bayonne's captain and admiral Barrau de Sescas, knight to marshal the combined maritime resources of England and Aquitaine in 1295 and 1297 was one of Edward I and Jean of Brittany's wisest acts? from: Vale, Malcolm Graham Allan (1996). The Origins of the Hundred Years War: The Angevin Legacy, 1250-1340. Clarendon Press. p. 204. ISBN 978-0-19-820620-0.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jack Sullivan (journalist)
- Comment: Note there had been other people appointed to similar positions but that this was the first explicitly called "admiral", earlier appointments will have been under different names, potentially the Latin "admiralis"

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 11:50, 3 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

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Everything looks good to me... thanks for the interesting article! Slight preference for ALT0, but I'll leave the final pick to the promoter. DanCherek (talk) 05:12, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"First admiral"

seems mistaken or needs additional caveats to be correct. Other men like William de Leybourne were certainly called admiral in Latin and French (slightly) before 1295. No one was called admiral in the English language (as far as most sources know) for another century or so. This guy doesn't seem to be the first specifically commissioned as an admiral either, per the sources that give that to Gervase Alard a little later.

There was a source for the DYKN from Cambridge University Press so it's valid for what it was... it just seems like there's some additional missing details here for what this guy was first at, if anything. — LlywelynII 04:46, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]