Talk:Bardi (surname)

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A fact from Bardi (surname) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 August 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that though Donatello was a Bardi, he was not a Bardi?

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 00:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that though Donatello was a Bardi, he wasn't a Bardi?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Liverpool Women's Hospital bombing
- Comment: Probably qualifies as a quirky hook. Yes, source in article.

Created by Kingsif (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 128 past nominations.

Kingsif (talk) 03:47, 17 July 2024 (UTC).[reply]

I will take a look at this. simongraham (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This looks good. The article is new enough (written on 17 July), long enough (3,786b of prose), has no copyright violations (Turnitin and Earwig report 0% likelihood) and seems well-sourced. The hook is quirky and I feel is interesting. Is there a reference for the assertion? Coonin 2018 p. 18 states that he "was probably not closely related to the famous Bardi family". simongraham (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simongraham: We know Donatello's immediate family was not the Bardi bankers (Coonin p.17 establishes this I believe), and then Coonin p.18 says that it's not likely they were extended family, either, but distant - I suppose given the focus in that part of the article is on how intertwined the Bardi branches were or weren't, that's why I only cited p.18. But, yeah, we could add p.17 to the reference. Kingsif (talk) 23:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Expanded reference in article. Kingsif (talk) 22:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Does the hook need the caveat "probably" as per the source? simongraham (talk) 04:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Simongraham: I don't think the hook needs it; the source establishes his immediate family was not the famous bankers, which I would feel comfortable to say confirms that "he wasn't [one]". The sentence in the article about how distant that relation is, might warrant it, though other sources speak more firmly (e.g. [1]). Kingsif (talk) 11:12, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Kingsif: Seems reasonable. That looks good to me. simongraham (talk) 07:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: simongraham (talk) 07:23, 25 July 2024 (UTC) WP:EASTEREGG: I have no idea where links are going before I click them. Rollinginhisgrave (talk) 10:20, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It certainly has some eggy quality to it, but I think it's fine for the quirky slot, where we encourage a bit of sillyness. RoySmith (talk) 13:45, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Besides that, EASTEREGG is when you expect one thing and it goes to another - like saying "Jack and his friend" and having "friend" link to "Jane" (Jack's friend) instead of an article about the concept of friends. Both links here say "a Bardi" and take you to an article on the subject of Bardis - you may not know where the links are going because you don't know what "a Bardi" is, but the expectation then is surely that the link will lead to an explanation for you, which they do. It's not eggy, and to be any more (needlessly) specific would significantly reduce if not nullify the effectiveness of the hook. Kingsif (talk) 22:14, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would certainly be surprised if friend linked to Jane because everybody knows Jack's friend is Jill. Jane was Dick's friend. RoySmith (talk) 02:32, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]