Talk:Barbra Streisand/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

South Park

Surely something more should be mentioned about the South Park parodies of Barbra.

Why? That's surely something for the South Park page. --natz 08:18, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Disagree, as it shows her enormous influence beyond into a deep loud imprint on popular culture jewish, whether positive, negative, supportive, or jealous. Even other supposedly iconic stars or singers, even first-name megastars who have forayed into acting, don't have this kind of impact. Thus I'd recommend a Pop Culture section, but perhaps hold off on it to include both positive and negative, so that it doesn't come off like a token spiteful stab by unprofessional editors. Until that time, South Park is 11th on the "what links here" (for experienced users of WP)).Santaduck 08:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

I second that motion (to include popular culture section) Drew 02:20, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Me too, even if it is mostly negative, this is supposed to be unbiased, is there any other 'influences on pop culture' that couldbe added?

How about the Cawfee Tawk skits in Saturday Night Live, where the Mike Myers/Linda Richman character is also referencing her? (And in one skit, she actually showed up as a surprise SNL guest.) Also, the movie Waiting for Guffman has a line where one of the characters, praising Corky, says "he can sing AND direct AND produce...and the only other person who can do all that...is Barbra Streisand." 64.132.218.10 22:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

The SNL skit is noteworthy in that it involves a personal appearance, and it was a recurring skit. References to her in dialog of a movie seems less noteworthy but certainly can be referenced in a pop culture section. As to the South Park episode, it definitely should be mentioned, but no more than other pop culture references. Streisand is not loved universally and her criticisms should be noted. Also, aside from the Godzilla reference in South Park, they also used her face as "Spooky Vision" in one of their Halloween episodes, which emphasizes the Streisand/South Park connection. Now if Streisand were as big as the Catholic church, I could see it being less than noteworthy, but there are hundreds of articles on Catholocism, and I am sure one or more of them reference the South Park view on Catholics, but unless there is a separate article like Barbara Streisand and popular culture, this information should be here. Bytebear 17:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

In general, Wikipedia files miscellaneous trivial cultural references away and doesn't include them in the articles. It appears in many cases that the reasons for this are BOTH that the information is unimportant trivia, of which there is an ENORMOUS amount if you include every cultural reference to Barbra Streisand, AND the fact that the included references seem to be biased by partisans of particular items, trying to claim more territory by being connected to more different items. The South Park fandom seems to be particularly excessive at this, inserting South Park references into any article about anything or anyone ever mentioned on South Park. The very fact that there are special Jesus (South Park) and Satan (South Park) pages should say all that needs to be said. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.178.36 (talk) 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Who her husband?

Could someone quote a source for the statement that Barbra Streisand is now married to Barry Dennen? I'm quite prepared to believe it, but I can't find any mention of it on her fan sites or anywhere else for that matter. Deb 19:05, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand is definetly Not married to Dennen. Her second- and current- husband is actor James Brolin! 21:58, 30 January 2005 145.254.88.96

Yentl and Prince of Tides snubs

Yentl wasn't nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars (although Streisand wanted it to be). Prince of Tides was the movie where she was nominated for producing the best picture but was not nominated as director. 02:12, 22 July 2005 Syd Henderson

Agreed. I've made clarifications to this effect and added a cite. Wasted Time R 01:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Image:Barbra.jpg

I've taken out Image:Barbra.jpg as it does not have information on its source. JuntungWu 16:03, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Any replacements? Bill D 00:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Neutrality

Not a neutral article by any stretch of the imagination. --The Bad Tax Man 11:36, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Too pro-, too anti-, what? Specifics would help. Wasted Time R 01:30, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

For one thing, there's no mention of Streisand in popular brilliant culture. She is a frequent subject of parody, but this remains unmentioned in the article. Fishhead64 20:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't think that has to do with neutrality, but with the fact that this is not part of her own work / biography. This page should be about the person who's name is on top of the page, not how others approach him/her. Also, the idiotic way in which this article has been vandalised recently with utter non-sense has probably caused the opposite radical clean-up effect within Streisand supporters... --natz 08:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Talking about her being "snubbed" for Oscars is POV. You either are nominated or you aren't. Talk of "snubbing" is subjective. Some mention also of her rather long and protracted and unsuccessful suit against the guy who took pictures of her house for coastal studies would also be an interesting inclusion. George Bluth 06:01, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

There seems to be no criticism here either and going on about neutrality, taliking about a 'well intentioned mother' and so on. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.105.139.253 (talk • contribs). It also seems you can't post when it's negative but true about her or KittenKlub deletes it.Tannim 18:30, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

You failed to provide a functioning link, the relevance of your addition is questionable and your addition only serve to add negative commentary to the page. Please read: WP:V, WP:NOT, WP:NPOV and WP:BIO KittenKlub 18:38, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Because you have a problem reading: "This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material of any kind that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous." KittenKlub 18:50, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

And continuing a revert war, using sock puppets and continuing after being banned for WP:3RR means that you make bad faith edits. KittenKlub 20:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Listen you do not have the right to determine what is legitimate edit. Rueters is an internationally accepted new source. As you have proven too immature to discuss issues rationaly go back to playing with crayons.Tannim

First there is no such thing as Rueters. Second I have a right to determine what is a legitimate edit and take action if I feel that it is not a legitimate edit. Third since you cannot provide a link and the other edit was equally dubious, I seriously doubt whether it was ever published, since it sounds extremely unlikely. It is a negative comment and is only allowed if it is relevant (which your edit is not) and I seriously doubt your edits because you can't even spell the news agency. KittenKlub 21:21, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Article in a bad way

This article had gotten into a wretched state: a section deleted by vandalism and forgotten, a likely copyvio and npov insertion in another section, some ridiculous claims about record sales, bogus album links ... am fixing. Wasted Time R 03:32, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

social anxiety?

Has Streisand ever suffered from social anxiety disorder? Or was it just stage fright and anxiety? Gflores ^Talk 19:47, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Would be just straight forward stage fright, same as what many performers suffer from. --natz 20:44, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

FWIW, I heard Streisand tell her audience that she suffers from "stage fright", October 2006 Bellagio99 00:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Why did my additions get deleted?

I am very livid that someone removed the additions I made to her music bio last night. I didn't make anything up, I fleshed it out a bit. I added in FACTS (not rumors) about parts of Streisand's 70's and 80's output, only to find it removed in the morning and not only that, get a nasty message calling me a vandal?

Why am I a vandal for recognizing "Putting It Together: The Making of The Broadway Album" a TV special, which it was?

Why am I a vandal for pointing out that she had top 10 dance hits with "Shake Me Wake Me" and "Night Of My Life"? If you don't believe me, check it out yourself.

Why am I a vandal for going into a little detail about a few of her albums, such as "Guilty", "Lazy Afternoon" and "Memories"?

Why am I a vandal for talking about her failed attempt at MTV pop stardom with "Emotion"?

I spent about an hour fleshing some of the stuff out last night only to rudely find everything I put down. I am very offended and ticked off because I didn't do a freaking thing wrong.

To me, the vandals are the people who deleted my work just to be jerks. I am a Streisand fan and it ticks me off that my work gets deleted (umm... you don't get the time back?) because I thought the "Music Bio" on her was lacking and wanted to add more.

Hello. I haven't seen your contributions, so I can't weigh in on either side. I'm just writing to comment on how poorly this article is written and organized. It is a shame to Wikipedia. I'm not a rabid Streisand fan, nor one of her equally rabid critics, but this article is terrible: 1. Skeletal in size and scope. Absurd that a singer and actress of this importance (whether you like her, hate her, or are just interested in reading an encyclopedia article about her) is treated so cursorily. Check Frank Sinatra or Ella Fitzgerald; the differences are appalling. That is to say: This article should have, at a minimum: (1) A detailed history of her career, films, TV appearances, and most importantly, recordings, with appropriate links; (2) a brief summary of her personal life; (3) a brief summary of her effect and place in contemporary culture, and (4) some comments on miscellaneous and anecdotal nature. Someone, please, re-do this article in an unbiased way, free from POV or outrageous statements either pro or con. If you don't, I will take my life in my hands and be compelled to try. 66.108.4.183 16:43, 13 July 2006 (UTC) Allen Roth

Voice

Does anyone know her octave range or her longest note

Her voice range is one of a lyric soprano. This is based on her tressitura (normal range) when singing. ~~KCQuest

Her exact range (in the studio at least) is B2-D6 which is about 3.2 octaves. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.25.200.114 (talk) 15:18, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Copyvio

Rossrs deleted the section 2006 Tours. This section was copied from Yahoo News, and as such violates copyright. Copyright © 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained in the AP News report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. Copyright © 2006 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.

Please refrain from copying from other websites and news sources. PrometheusX303 12:56, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Spelling?

Barbra or Barbara? This article seems to switch back and forth with no consistency. I know she changed her name, so I can understand referring to her as Barbara up until the point that happened, but the intro, and any subsequent discussion of her career should have Barbra, no? Thoughts? RRB 09:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

In court documents filed in May 2003 in the Superior Court of the State of California, County of Los Angeles (Case No. SC077257), she is identified as "Barbra Streisand". Most Wikipedia biographical articles seem to use the approach of giving a person's most common name or stage name, then followed by "born <birthname>", but otherwise using the stage name or current name consistently throughout. —Quicksilver^{T @} 05:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Weasel words?

I'm kind of new, but I saw what I think you call "weasel words" in a couple places. One is under Film Career, specifically the part "snubbed for Best Director".

"There was controversy when Yentl received five Academy Award nominations but none for the major categories of Best Picture, Actress, or Director [3]. There was more controversy when Prince of Tides received even more nominations, including Best Picture, but Streisand was snubbed for Best Director."

Another one under 2006: The Return, specifically the use of "unfortunately" seems not very neutral:

"In early October, after a skit that made fun of President George W. Bush, and a man yelling taunts at her, she said, "Shut the fuck up if you can't take a joke." Unfortunately some present heard it differently, and say the man was yelling words of support which Ms. Streisand misheard or misinterpreted as heckling."

And also under Personal Life, specifically the use of "temerity" seems not neutral:

"On October 10 2006, she swore at a fan who had the temerity to ask her to perform rathar than spout Bush hate speech."

What do you think, are these a problem? Chuva 17:17, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

What's the problem if you are reporting an incendent?Tannim 11:30, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

religion not important

i had to remove the reference to her family being jewish. it isnt relevant. Keltik31 16:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. She would not have done Yentl otherwise. And her background is reflected in her political views. Her Jewish background has had a huge influence on her life. 66.151.81.244 17:39, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Do we mention the religious background of everyone? When I saw the Biography of Henry Winkler, they mentioned he was Jewish about four or five times. Is there something extra special about being Jewish that makes it necessary? I saw many episodes of Biography that never mentioned the person’s religion. 205.147.247.50 22:05, 1 November 2006 (UTC)205.147.247.50 22:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)Keltik31 22:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't really care one way or the other too much, personally I'd put it back in. But I just want to put up for consideration the religious / ethnic haziness that exists with the special case of "Jewish." While one doesn't always mention someone's religion, we would be more likely to reference their ethnicity. The fact that Barbra Streisand is Jewish is well known, frequently noted, and reflected in her professional history. It's not like we are saying "John Smith, who by the way is a big JEW, ..." If there was a list of "famous jewish performers" who would be at the top? Sadena 23:56, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

She is listed in the List of Jewish American musicians and the List of Jewish actors and actresses, so aparently her Jewish heritage is important. It should be categorized rather than a list, though. Oh, and Paula Abdul is first because it is alphabetical. Bytebear 05:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Her religion is Important as much as Guandi's religion was important. her religion influenced her life and actions for example: Barbra Streisand's first Broadway role was in the "Diary of Anne Frank" That was important. I think she would be proud of being referenced as a famous "Jewish" person as much as I could be referenced as a Christian.Ace ofgabriel 15:26, 30 December 2006 (UTC) 30 December 2006

The fact that someone would say that religion is not important seems a bit ignorant. Is there any citations for the reasoning that it wouldn't be than that should be brought up. A number of articles do talk about religion in terms of biography. Just because on media outlet chooses not to highlight the fact that he or she is Jewish, Christian, or whatever doesn't mean we here at Wikipedia should follow suit. I mean if this person is an ethnic Jew than it should be mentioned because in reality part of Wikipedia is not to confirm what we already know, but to have the reader learn something new. There should be a section on how religion has influenced her life. Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Peacock terms

This article is full of peacock terms, and I fear will have them added again and again. Please keep in mind this style guide when editing this page. Bytebear 18:54, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Barbra??

Does anyone know why her name is spelled Barbra in the article title? Can this be fixed? Cleo123 23:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Because it's her name as noted in the third paragraph of this article. --ElKevbo 00:17, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

She changed her name from Barbara to Barbra early in her career - I always found that very clever. It is a bit of waste of a vowel, after all. --natz 20:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Politics

User:JoshuaZ's recent edit about the Media Research Center's Barbra Streisand Political IQ Award for Celebrity Vapidity was removed as "vandalism and section unsupported by any citations". But the events described really did take place. See the www.mediaresearch.org site, and subsequent numerous references to it via Google, for yourself for their awards, which they having been bestowing upon political activists since 2002. Mention of the wards might arguably belong only on the MRC article, but some mention of Barbra's politcal activism definitely belongs in her article. — Loadmaster 23:37, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Add it back in but add the references, too. It was completely unreferenced and that's why I removed it (the vandalism was a more recent edit by another editor). --ElKevbo 23:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

The Drudge Report is described in this article as a "conservative" outlet, but according to the Drudge article, research shows it leans left, and is more libertarian than most. Bytebear 08:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Why should Drudge be allowed to define his own politics separately from his documented actions, any more than any other politician? Or, to be more specific, until Bush, libertarian WAS conservative, and in most ways it still is. They make a show of supporting INDIVIDUAL freedom, but most "liberal" or "progressive" politics are about organization, not individualism. Similarly, "left" in America has been defined by the right for the last couple of decades. Is Drudge "left-leaning" according to INTERNATIONAL standards (i.e. socialist)?Bren Flibig (talk) 20:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

This section puts too much emphasis on her bad grammar. Only the first sentence provides any information about her political involvement. The rest of the section serves only to ridicule her by citing little known groups. Jackaranga 04:38, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree totally with Jackaranga's comment, although some of the groups aren't little-known. As it stands, the section is totally unbalanced, with more time devoted to relatively trivial attacks than to Streisand's own views. I have tried to tone down the attack part frequently, but someone(s) keeps inserting them. As a relatively new Wikipedian, I am up for discussion on this as to how to proceed. Bellagio99 01:58, 30 December 2006 (UTC) 23 December 2006

Birth Year

Barbra was born in 1942. Friends of mine went to school with her, and one even dated her. Bellagio99 15:36, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Can someone please update/remove the line below from Chelsea.

Chelsee was here! =] Im doing her for my research paperrrr. ahh ha ha ha.

It appear at the end of "Singing Career". It's cyber graffiti.

So.. learn how to edit and do it yourself.

Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.241.87.51 (talk) 20:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC).

Discography

Has there been discussion about a discography? I think that it should be included since the article talks a great deal about her successes as a recording artist. ThanksBroadwaygal 18:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

There is a separate Discography article at Barbra Streisand discography. People separate out info like this from long articles, so that the article does not exceed the recommended WP article length. Best regards, -- Ssilvers 23:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Dating Prusak

Dear Wikipediarules2221 (and others) I was the one who put Larry Prusak on the dating Barbra Streisand page, and I am going to put it back. I understand your deletion, but Prusak is the guru in computer-based knowledge management. And definitely a notable by WP standards, even if he doesn't have a WP entry;-). 34,5000 hits on Google today. He, himself, told me that he had dated Streisand in high school.Bellagio99 14:02, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Germany

The reasons given for Streisand's not performing in Germany before 2007 are based on mere speculation. As long as Streisand herself (or a reliable source quoting Streisand) does not confirm these rumours, they have no place in a serious Wikipedia article. Streisand has never performed in Continental Europe before (INCLUDING Germany)...until the summer of 2007. Therefore, I have removed this unproven statement from this article.

But wasn't the German stuff sourced to a reliable newspaper? And are you sure that she hasn't performed in continental Europe before? Is that sourced? Bellagio99 00:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

All newspaper articles were based on speculation.....and poor research. Check Streisand's official website wwww.barbrastreisand.com. This is her first continental tour ever. How could she have avoided Germany when she has never performed ANYWHERE on the continent? Streisand did a promotional tour of Germany for her movie YENTL in 1984, with TV appearances, press conferences and interviews. So much for "boycotting" a country! Nellov5 11:19, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Dear Nellov5, Thanks for pointing me to the site. I went, but couldn't find anything pertaining to this matter, except a brief note saying it was her first concert in Germany. Could you provide more specifics. Bellagio99 12:16, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Go to the start page, click on "Read All News" in the "Headlines" section. Scroll down to the very bottom of the page. There you will find an article with the following headline: "First Ever Barbra Streisand Tour Of Continental Europe and a Return To UK After 13 Years"

"It was announced today that Barbra Streisand, who received rave reviews for her US tour (see below), will perform live in Continental Europe this June and July for the very first time in her celebrated career. " http://www.barbrastreisand.com/index.php?page=news&n_id=286

Nellov5 00:15, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Yup,you're right. It's at the end of a scroll-down. Nothing about dealing with feelings about Germans though. So the real news is first-ever tour of the Continent. Bellagio99 00:22, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Streisand ridiculed in UK press

This article ridicules the singer for including poorly-researched local details into her performance in Manchester, including a somewhat unlikely claims to like black pudding and the non-local Cumberland sausage. Nick Cooper 13:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

She has been referenced at least four times in the Simpsons and not three. In the later series Homer is talking about Streisand and says "and yes James Brolin has really been a rock"

Privacy lawsuit and the Streisand Effect

Should be a mention of the Streisand_effect and the case behind it. Yes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.93.40.145 (talk) 21:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Typo?

"Somoan" should be "Samoan", yes? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.130.131.191 (talk) 10:33, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

"Greatest" assertion

"Striesand is considered to be the Greatest Living Entertainer." Considered -- by whom? Source, please, or remove this statement. Unimaginative Username 01:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for rm. Certified sales are factual data from which readers can draw their own conclusions. Much better than an article making POV assertions of "greatness". Regards, Unimaginative Username 02:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

This article is Garbage

I can not honestly believe this article. I mean this is one of the biggest stars of the 20th Century and this article doesnt even really go into anything about her carreer. It makes her look like some twobit. But anyone who breathed a decade in the 20th Century knows that Barbra Streisand is as big if not bigger in terms of recognition and star power than either Michael Jackson or Madonna. Successful Actor, Director, Producer, Broadway Star, Singer, and lets not forget preformer. She is considered to be or have been among the best in every one of those catigories. I mean as an actress she ranks with Hepburn and Julie Andrews. In the music business she is the best selling Female artist in the United States, ahead of Madonna. Not to mention that she raised Bill Clinton from obscurity, and raised him bucketloads of money to finance his primary campaign. This article is utterly shameful. --134.117.151.251 (talk) 19:14, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Those are all great points, and you are free to edit this article and add those details to it. I would recommend doing a little research and finding reliable sources to each of those points, add them to the article. Bytebear (talk) 19:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree, this article is trash. Barbra deserves more! I mean, I don't even see a mention of the May 7th, 1978 ABC special of Israel's 30th Anniversary where Barbra sang. This article needs to include more of Barbra's legacy. 1DmkIIN (talk) 3:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Removed Information

Hi Dalburry, I'm sorry I made the mistake of not mentioning the change of the Barbara Striesand page before doing so, my intention was to not start any controversy at all. However the portion that I deleted was pov and had nothing to do with the source provided. The source provided was from RIAA detailing the top selling artists in America, the statment I removed from the page was this,

"She is widely considered to be the the #1 selling female solo artist in history."

This statement is POV and does n interpret the RIAA information correctly, simply because the RIAA is an American based company and does not track worldwide sales. Barbara might be the best selling musician in the US without any doubt, but in "history"? I doubt that and the source provided does not prove that at all. PhoenixPrince (talk) 09:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

1. If that was you editing as 69.209.221.227, you didn't leave an edit summary. It is always a good idea to leave an edit summary to help other editors understand what you have done. 2. As I'm sure you noticed, I did not restore the statement you found POV, but substituted a statement that actually is supported by the source. -- Donald Albury 19:51, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

foreign language

somebody knows how many foreign languages she knows?

Roslyn Kind

Uhhh... correct me if I'm wrong (seriously, do) but it seems kind of ridiculous to me to have the name of Streisand's sister link to a redirect page that brings it right back to this one. I'd destroy the whole loop but I'm unsure whether there's some strange, obscure reason for its existence so for now I'm just going to de-wikify the name. If someone else who knows better than I wants to take further action, more power to you. :) Thanks. -- edi (talk) 17:36, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's what I did about the Kind problem. I added two details for her benefit. I said she's a singer. Before it just said performer. Then I said she sang on Saturday Night Live in 1976. That shows people Ms. Kind was still relatively young when she became successful, and it was a long time ago. We don't have room to chart her career during the three decades since. I also made other edits. Look at Edit Summary. The Cocoanut Grove nightclub needed a better identification. The publicity announcement in Nevada said the Grove was in Hollywood, and that's wrong. It was near downtown Los Angeles, which many people know on account of its notoriety as the locale of Bobby Kennedy's assassination. Other edits were putting quote marks outside a period and using Wikipedia links for first references only. Change it back if you want. SophieTucker (talk) 05:48, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

The current redirect from Roslyn Kind to Barbra Streisand serves no purpose, as far as I can tell. I can find no reference to Roslyn Kind on the Barbara Streisand page. Defeats the purpose of the redirect.

I see there has been a back-and-forth whether to redirect Roslyn Kind to Barbra Streisand or keep her as her own article. Someone made a statement that they saw no evidence that Roslyn Kind merited her own page. I disagree. I have known about Roslyn Kind since the 1970s. Mrs. Peel (talk) 04:23, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

i cannot believe it. come on. roslyn kind is a well known performer since the 70s. there is absolutely no reason why she shouldn't appear here. i never found another article on wikipedia where i was redirected to a family member who is more famous ore anything like that. it is sad and disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.171.13.110 (talk) 00:14, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

I went looking for info on Roslyn Kind. The redirect made me think Kind and Streisand are the same person. I learned from IMDb that they are sisters. I think Roslyn should have her own article or at least be mentioned in this one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Freshmutt (talk • contribs) 15:42, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Early Years

I was reading this sentence: "Topics covered in her interviews with host Johnny Carson included the empire-waisted dresses that she bought wholesale, to her “crazy” reputation at Erasmus Hall High School, soon enough she got engaged. [18]" This last bit does not make any sense. It's either a fragment of a deleted sentence or an edit by someone with poor grammar skills. I'm hesitant to delete it because I don't know what they're referring to. If you wrote it, please clean up the grammar so it makes sense. Resinguy (talk) 01:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I was reading parts of her early life and doesn't say how Streisand was introduced to music and at what age. All it says is that she won a music contest than start performing in clubs as a teen. This article doesn't talk about her upbringing unlike other biography articles such as Bobby Fischer. More than just a few lines would help boost the article. The Bobby Fischer article is good in the sense that it is not a summary, a poor one at that, of his childhood. Major additions and changes shouuld take place within that section. Mr. C.C. (talk) 07:34, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

If it were possible to locate appropriate WP:RS references, more of her early career in 1961 would be nice to include. In April she was in a review at the Crystal Palace in St. Louis, Missouri, whose cast included the Smothers Brothers. When she was released from her contract in Winnipeg in July, she came down to St. Louis to Crystal Palace where she replaced Tom O'Horgan as opener for Prof. Irwin Corey. Interestingly, the new bio Hello, Gorgeous! erroneously indicates that she sang the full two weeks in Winnipeg. Years ago I read a magazine article that I cannot find now which mentioned her summer 1961 gig at Crystal Palace after which she went back to New York where she auditioned for "I Can Get It for You Wholesale", and the rest is history. The Crystal Palace owners, Jay and Fran Landesman, are deceased and one of their sons Rocco Landesman, who is chairman of National Endowment for the Arts, might have records to document Barbra's Crystal Palace gigs. Phaedrus7 (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Bad Link - Better Link

The link to Streisand's lawsuit against Adelman doesn't work. Here is a link to the decision itself, which I think would be helpful to include:

http://www.californiacoastline.org/streisand/slapp-ruling.pdf

216.175.79.229 (talk) 23:47, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

The links work for me. Can you be more specific on what changes you are proposing? Bytebear (talk) 04:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Picture Removal

Could we possibly remove the picture of Barbra from 1962? A lot of people have shown interest that they think it's not the best picture to be displayed upon her WikiPedia page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.19.153.106 (talk) 09:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Brother Sheldon never mentioned.

Barbra's full brother Sheldon was never referred to in this article, though her half-sister Roslyn was! (????)

I edited the 2 intro paragraphs in the "Life and Career" section to include Shelly, and also rearranged the introductions of her parents to make it flow more properly.

Manburger 486 (talk) 12:45, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

As evidence of above, here is a link to the NY Times obituary of Diana Streisand Kind, which refers to her as "Beloved mother of Sheldon Streisand, Barbra Streisand, & Roslyn Kind: [1]

Manburger 486 (talk) 12:52, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Sheldon paid for the kinescope of the Tonight show Barbra did with Orson Bean. He paid for it in 1961 when she was broke and she needed to use film of herself to pitch herself to show business producers and agents. Does anyone think we should say that the kinescope still exists now that people want to mention Sheldon's contribution to the launch of her career? We mention that Orson found her in a gay bar. I'm not adding it now, but I'm going to add now ...

Adding Pittsburgh to list of PM East/PM West cities

Pittsburgh was where Westinghouse Broadcasting dubbed its old-fashioned videotapes at the KDKA television station. Everyone knows the entire Westinghouse company -- televisions, washing machines and all -- was headquartered in Pittsburgh all those years in 1950s, 1960s, 1970s ... so I'm going to slip Pittsburgh in to the list of cities. Off the top of my head I know the Pittsburgh Post Gazette television page of Wednesday, November 15, 1961 ran an entire column about what was scheduled for PM East/PM West that night. The television columnist had watched the videotape in advance. Barbra wasn't on that night, but it was the very same television program with the same host: Mike Wallace. This is a legitimate source. So unless someone removes "Pittsburgh" from the list of cities that carried the program via Westinghouse, it should stay in that portion of the article. Thank you. Sign me, "Barbra fan" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.222.218 (talk) 05:57, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Awards

I'm confused on the numbers mentioned in the Awards section for Grammys. It claims she's been nominated 56 times and won 15, but I only count 44 Grammy nominations and 10 actually won in the itemized list. There are also 3 inductions into the Grammy Hall of Fame, but that still doesn't add up to 15. What's the real story? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Resinguy (talk • contribs) 19:17, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

In the introduction of the Barbra page, it mentions that Frank Sinatra, Cher, Shirley Jones, and she have won Best Actor/Actress Oscars AND had a No. 1 Hot 100. We're forgetting Jamie Foxx (featured artist on the No. 1 "Slow Jamz" by Twista featuring Kanye West and Jamie Foxx, plus "Gold Digger" by Kanye West featuring Jamie Foxx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.146.149 (talk) 08:54, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Why did she change her name?

It is unbelievable that this isn't in the article.

I asked on the reference desk just so I wouldn't have to go to strange web aites at home, though I could have waited and done it myself. Then I never would have done it.

Here are the answers I got:

• "she dropped one letter from the conventional spelling of "Barbara" because, "I hated the name, but I refused to change it."[2].
• "the spelling of her first name is an instance of partial rebellion: she was advised to change her last name and retaliated by dropping an “a” from the first instead" [3].

Another answer from her: "Well, I was 18 and I wanted to be unique, but I didn't want to change my name because that was too false. You know, people were saying you could be Joanie Sands, or something like that. [My middle name is Joan.] And I said, 'No, let's see, if I take out the 'a,' it's still 'Barbara,' but it's unique." [4]

I'm sure we can expand on this. I don't feel comfortable making the decision on just where to add it or what to add.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:26, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Tabel Error

Can anybody please edit the table to remove the Non exsisting Template? Thanks Hybirdd (talk • contribs • count • logs • page moves • block log • summary) 10:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Song.

There should be some mention about the new song, the techno one where her name is repeated frequently.it's called Barbra Streisand and its by Duck Sauce, a terrible song. but it should be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.136.101 (talk) 02:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

More artists who have won Oscars and had number one singles

The introduction states: "Along with Frank Sinatra, Cher, and Shirley Jones, she shares the distinction of being awarded an acting Oscar and also recording a number-one single on the U.S. Billboard Hot 100 chart." However, Jamie Foxx has won an acting Oscar (for 'Ray'), and had a number one single on the Billboard Hot 100 ('Gold Digger' with Kanye West) - as evidenced by his Wikipedia entry. Bing Crosby also won an Oscar and had number one singles, although these were in the days before the Billboard Hot 100 existed. There may be more, but I just wanted to flag up that this is innacurate (the claim is not sourced). Brianwilsonisgod (talk) 02:41, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Reversed photos

Could someone please sort out the third photograph on the page (beige dress, labeled 'Barbra Streisand 1973'). This photo is reversed. Barbra's nose is pointed the wrong way - it is famously displaced to HER left yet in this photo it points to her right. Although not so clear, I think that the top photograph (Black Dress - London, O2) is also the wrong way round. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WestEndLovely (talk • contribs) 12:48, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Barbra's new album "What Matters Most".

I would like to know why her new album which is due out in August according to her official website, isn't listed on Barbra's Article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.3.138.191 (talk) 19:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Jon Peters

The article doesn't tell us who Jon Peters is! --Kenatipo ^speak! 15:56, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

similar note

On a similar note, I was just editing Reice Hamel, and it is noted there that he was the first one or one of the first people to produce music for her. Does anyone know if this is true, it was uncited but there is a webpage that would probably be used as the citation. But i can't verify it. If someone finds out this isn't true, can you let me know and I'll removed from the hamel page. thx--P0PP4B34R732 (talk) 04:26, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Joachim Streisand

Streisand is very rare surname. Was Joachim Streisand, a Jewish-German historian, one of her relatives? --115.162.96.9 (talk) 00:14, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Honorary Doctorates

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-22953242 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.24.110.184 (talk) 23:45, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Photo restored to lead

A photo was removed by User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz with the rationale that it was a "potentially nonfree image in BLP infobox." However, only a few minutes earlier, they had submitted a deletion request for the photo at Commons. They also submitted another deletion request at about the same time for a different image previously used in the infobox.

Because the same editor submitted those requests followed within minutes with a removal of one of the images from the article, it seems that their deletion was potentially not neutral. I am therefore restoring the image pending the status of the images in question by neutral editors. --Light show (talk) 02:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

to mezzo or not to mezzo?

under "career"/"singing" it is first mentioned: "Streisand is a contralto or possibly a mezzo-soprano who has a range consisting of well over two octaves from "low E to a high G and probably a bit more in either direction."[45]" then, at the very bottom of the same section it is stated: "Streisand is a mezzo-soprano.[56]"

which one is it? can someone please make a decision which source conveys the superior knowledge... --96.63.2.100 (talk) 01:13, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

EARLY YEARS

Early Years:

I'm a little confused with the first paragraph under Early Years. It states her being born in April 1942, but just a sentence or two later, states that her father died one minute after her birth in August 1943. Traciamaria (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2014 (UTC)Tracie 10/8/2014

I've removed that bit of vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 14:18, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Appearance on Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallow

http://www.nbc.com/the-tonight-show/filters/guests/11406 Barbra Streisand appeared on The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon tonight (September 15, 2014) to promote her Partners (Barbra Streisand album). I'm not certain whether this would be notable enough to include in this article. --Dan Dassow (talk) 04:15, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

She caused the Divorce of Prince Charles and Camilla?

This article suggests this: http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/1000619-prince-charles-divorce-from-camilla-parker-bowles-coming-over-barbara-steisand-affair/ 134.148.46.9 (talk) 10:09, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Not a reliable source. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 12:47, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

International Business Times now reporting this: http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/568778/20141007/prince-charles-camilla-parker-bowles-divorce-rumours.htm#.VDOO4imSwbo 134.148.72.32 (talk) 06:59, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Why such an old photo?

I can't find another example of an article about a living person that uses a 48-year-old photo. Magoon (talk) 15:13, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

A few others: Faye Dunaway, Dustin Hoffman, Elaine May, Kirk Douglas, Jerry Lewis, Cher, Lee Grant, Neil Simon, Warren Beatty, and until last week, Luise Rainer. Streisand's most recent biography uses a similar photo for the cover. --Light show (talk) 19:11, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Best Selling Album Artist of all time

Barbra Streisand seems to have been confused with Shania Twain when it comes to RIAA's best selling album artists list. I will therefore be removing the offending claim. There may have been a time when she was in the top ten, but that has long since past. If there is a context in which this claim can be made, I suggest the author put it in proper context and leave a verifiable citation. Typenolies (talk) 18:28, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Barbra

Surely this topic has been covered before, but I understood that she was born Barbara and changed the name to Barbra. The article isn't going to say that in the intro now? Shocking Blue (talk) 00:27, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

The wrong number of Barbra’s awards

It is written in the article”recognized with eight Grammy Awards....a Peabody Award” But according to the official site （http://www.peabodyawards.com/stories/story/the-ultimate-show-biz-coup-pegot） “EGOT-ists are actually a pretty sizable club, one whose membership includes Mel Brooks, Liza Minnelli, Richard Rodgers and Audrey Hepburn. But only a couple of artists can claim a PEGOT – Peabody, Emmy, Grammy, Oscar, Tony – which is vastly more difficult. One is the late director Mike Nichols, whose Peabody came directing the movie Wit on HBO Barbra Streisand accepts Peabody The other, with an amazing four claims to Peabodys as well as her other trophies, is Barbra Streisand“,Brbra have recognized with four Peabody Award not only one.According tp（http://www.grammy.com/nominees/search?artist=barbrra+streisand&field_nominee_work_value=&year=All&genre=All&=Search）,Barbra won eight competitive awards,but she also was presented Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award and the Grammy Legend Award，It's should be ten not eight.

The acronym PEGOT is not used by any media. The Peabody Awards people made up the term. Wikipedia will not be using it per WP:UNDUE weight. Binksternet (talk) 05:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

I refer to the right number of awards,don't mix my meaning.It is written in the article”recognized with eight Grammy Awards....a Peabody Award”,in fact ,Barbra won ten grammy and four peabody

I think the number of awards in the article should be updated,and added sources from these awards' official site，what do others think about that？

"By By" error

"featuring music by by Jules Styne" should be "featuring music by Jules Styne" --Guy Macon (talk) 05:37, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

 Done--173.52.75.38 (talk) 21:54, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand's records sale

It's impossible for Barbra Streisand's record sales to be 145 million when her album sales are 145 million. It just doesn't make sense. The record sales are a combination of all records that Barbra Streisand has sold. Singles, Videos, etc...Babsfan24 (talk) 20:25, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Here's an example. Mariah Carey sold around 150 albums but her record sales are 200 million. Madonna's album sales are a little over 200 million but her RECORD sales are 300 million. Reducing Barbra to that number discredits her and her achievements.Babsfan24 (talk) 20:16, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you not know the difference in RECORD sales and ALBUM sales. If you were to count Barbra Streisand's albums it would be around 145 million-150 million but records sales would have her at 245 million. Barbra Streisand sold 245 million RECORDS worldwide and 145 million ALBUMS. Each artist has their RECORD sales listed and you have Barbra Streisand's RECORD sales listed as her ALBUM sales which deflates her total amount of record sales. Babsfan24 (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2015 (UTC) Is that true, as it is written in the article, that Streisand has sold 245 million records? Cited in the article sources claim 145 million figure. Could I ask which is the true information? Thanks. 31.61.136.117 (talk) 18:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

http://news.yahoo.com/katie-couric-interviews-barbra-streisand-about-partners-album-093204812.html Ironically, Streisand — the Oscar-winning, Emmy-winning, Grammy-winning and Tony-winning performer who has sold 245 million albums worldwide — claims she doesn't love to sing

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/09/16/after-51-year-absence-barbra-streisand-takes-the-host-chair-at-the-tonight-show/

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/barbra-streisand-tonight-show-all-733023 The singer-actress-director has sold more than 245 million albums worldwide and is one of only 16 people to have earned all four of the U.S.' major entertainment awards: Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony (her Tony was an honorary award). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 183.62.57.212 (talk) 04:55, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank You for answer. Please understand, I'm not Barbra's hater, I'll say more - I really like her music and person and I don't want to inflate or understate her total sale number. I just wanna know which information is true to use it. In the article it is written she's sold 245 million records, but cited in the same article source about O2 Arena concert claims 145 million units. There is internal contradiction in the article. 87.207.65.84 (talk) 11:11, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

The article List of best-selling music artists keeps better track of this stuff. Streisand has sold 97.1 million units worldwide, claiming 145 million units sold, according to musicologist Alfred William Cramer who wrote Musicians and Composers of the 20th Century (2009). On page 1444 he says, "Moreover, with more than 145 million albums sold, she is the highest-ranking female artist in the history of the American recording industry." So there's no reason for us to inflate the number to 245 million, as some unreliable publications have chosen to do. Binksternet (talk) 15:30, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

So you think Barbra sold no singles? It's 145 million albums,no records,how can you use 145 million records again and again?Correct your mistake ,please！And Barbra’s cer is 97.1 million “not ”sold“,Barbra have many albums sold more than their cer,and make out what Alfred William Cramer writed "Moreover, with more than 145 million albums sold, she is the highest-ranking female artist in the history of the American recording industry." America is not worldwide,it's means Brabra sold more than 145 million albums in the history of the American recording industry.And Barbra also sold millions of album in Europe,Australia and so on，such as her last album Partner cer P in UK（300K）, Australia and so on and her best-selling album -Guilty （which wa cer 5P in US）,according to her official site （http://www.barbrastreisand.com/us/biography） ”Of all her releases, 1980's "Guilty," Barbra's collaboration with Barry Gibb of The Bee Gees, achieved the greatest success worldwide, selling over 20 million units “ Stop your behaviours to mix cer and actul sales,America and Worldwide,album and records,Please！ And how dare you write hollywoodreporter and washingtonpost,yahoo are unreliable

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:250:3000:5C21:79AC:99E2:3B6:A8B4 (talk) 03:35, 23 May 2015 (UTC) 

Maybe I'll propose some kind of compromise, if I could - due to the fact that as I've seen this time there is keep running next edit war in the 'Barbra Streisand discography' article. So if we know Barbra Streisand, according to reliable source, has sold 145 million so we could write that in the both articles as the fact, and in the next statement or by adding ", although..." - due to the fact other also reliable sources as Washington Post have confirmed even 245 million units sold figure which still collaborate with 15% or 20% her available certified sales too - we can write then that some other sources have claimed 245 million records sold number. What do You think? Pls treat to this proposition cause there is contradiction between 2 articles and I hope we all want to be reliable and honest. 31.61.136.166 (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/karl-stefanovics-cringeworthy-moment-with-barbra-streisand-for-the-today-show-in-new-york/story-e6frfmyi-1227052558261 "Things lurched from bad to worse when he asked the entertainer, who has sold an estimated 245 million records worldwide and won a swag of awards, why she “makes people nervous”.

http://www.thehollywoodnews.com/2014/09/23/the-power-of-the-cross-media-artist/ "Known for her distinctive sound, Barbra Streisand is one of the best-selling artists of all time, with more than 245 million records sold worldwide"

http://musicweekly.asia/culture/news-culture/double-threat-10-famous-musicians-that-became-movie-stars The ever talented Barbara Streisand has had a successful career as a singer, actress, filmmaker and producer. Throughout a career that has lasted more than 60 years she has sold more than 245 million albums as well as collecting Oscar nominations or wins for Best Song (1976’s A Star Is Born), Best Picture (1991’s The Prince of Tides,” which she directed) and Best Actress (1968’s Funny Girl).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/article-2264026/Is-Barbra-Dame-Edna-disguise--HELLO-GORGEOUS-BECOMING-BARBRA-STREISAND-BY-WILLIAM-J-MANN.html "240 million:The number of records Barbra has sold worldwide" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:250:3000:5C21:79AC:99E2:3B6:A8B4 (talk) 15:41, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

So my proposition is to write in the both articles sth like: "Barbra Streisand has sold well over 145 million records worldwide [there we should add The Telegraph article], although according to some other sources it might even be more than 245 million units sold [there - Washington Post article]". I think it's fair and reliable due to the fact both figures collaborate with 15%-20% Barbra's certified sales and it can be real compromise that help solve the problem. What do all of You think about that? 87.207.65.84 (talk) 19:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

It's a good idea,but the problem still can't solved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skkywill (talk • contribs) 05:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for answer. I've expected somebody's opinion :) Of course I've just given the proposition trying find some compromise in that question. I know that solving that problem can be difficult but I hope my idea, maybe temporarily only, but can help with that. I'm waiting for yours ideas, comments and decision cause I'm only an observator due to the fact I can't edit the article. 31.61.136.130 (talk) 11:02, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Barbra is not a great single seller, see the charts, even in USA, most of her singles were not even Top 10. How can she sold 100 million singles? VHS and DVDs never sold a lot worldwide, even Madonna sold less than 1 million with each of her releases...--88marcus (talk) 22:35, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

But her singles performences were better than any other her peers such as cher,donna,tina,Aretha except ross,if they could sold 50 million record,Barbra should have sold more,so Barbra sold more than 140 million album but only 5 million singles as you said?

What I'm saying is that 245 millions seems inflated. And the singles of cher (80's and 90's),donna,tina were better in charts than her. --88marcus (talk) 16:12, 26 May 2015 (UTC) Do you recheck the chart performance(60s,70s),the singles of cher,donna,tina were all much worse in charts than her,please, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skkywill (talk • contribs) 03:56, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Barbra charted in the 60's and 70's most in USA charts, Donna charts everywhere. Cher and Tina did vere well in the 80's. But nobody is sayng that they sold 100 millions singles, like Barbra. --88marcus (talk) 04:16, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

It seems as though someone is very biased against Ms. Streisand. It seems like you don't want her to have that many sales, but 145 million is too small a number especially since she sold 140 million albums. Woman In Love sold 10-11 million copies itself, and No More Tears was the best selling female collaboration until 2010. I constantly see 200 million reported in the media, and it has been reported in talk shows and documentaries. Worldwide, Barbra Streisand was the biggest female star in the world in the 70's and if Donna Summer sold 140 million when she was ONLY popular in the 70's, then that number is wrong for Barbra. It's just illogical for her and Donna to be so close in sales.Reggiemcgee (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

In fact it seems like everything Barbra Streisand related on the Wikipedia site is used to discredit her in a sense. Every other musician's page uses sales that align with reports, they don't automatically go the lowest possible number. I've seen many Streisand figures (even with individual albums) from credible sources, but whenever I log onto Wikipedia, I see the lowest possible number. It's like this page in particular is edited by someone who doesn't like Streisand. Barbra Streisand's page is so weird. She's one of, if not the, most successful female entertainers of all time, but her page is very dry and bland for a career of over 50 decades and sales that far outran her peers. Whenever I read Mariah, Madonna's, or Celine Dion's page, it shows an accurate representation of who they are and how much they sold. With Barbra Streisand I have to take everything with a grain of salt because it's like someone doesn't want her to be on that level. I see people try to use logic to justify giving her the lowest possible sales, but the logic seems to be charged by something very biased. Reggiemcgee (talk) 03:21, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

Woman in Love didn't sold 10 millions worldwide, Billboard magazine says 2.5 millions worldwide till December 1981. How can this song sold 10 millions?? I want to see a report that says Woman in love sold 10 millions worldwide!! Link to Billboard report and again, do you belive Barbra sold 100 million singles worldwide???--88marcus (talk) 05:18, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

You're relying on an article that was posted a year after the single was released for accuracy. Wow, you really are biased. It's like you automatically attempt to either rely on United States sales or from sales posted decades ago. Wikipedia listed four certifications for Woman In Love that totals to 2.5 million, but they have her charting at #1 in 13 countries. It's like logic only applies to you when you have to disadvantage Ms. Streisand. This Barbra Streisand page is full of inaccuracies, if I didn't know her I would be so confused. How is Barbra Streisand's best selling single Woman In Love and it sold 2.5 million WORLDWIDE but No More Tears sold 3.0 million in the UNITED STATES alone? Reggiemcgee (talk) 20:52, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

88marcus,how dare you said that Barbra is not a big seller outside the USA? She has 6 #1 album in UK including the best-selling album of 1982 (Memories), (most b female before Madonna, the number cher's puls donna's plus Diana's puls Aretha's) and even only count duet, Barbra feature three times with different partners in The UK's 50 Best selling Duets of All Time (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x311j) , they combine sold over 2 million without sales of her solo singes (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00x311j). Woman in love and Tell him also sold over 1.5 million and 0.4 million in France, her cer in Australia is top3 in female artist, Barbra is not doubt the best-selling female artist in world and in Europe, Australia before Madonna. Woman Barbra charted better than cher,tina,diana in the 70's and 80's , Donna charts well only 4 years(1977-1980), her albums charted much better than them, Cher and Tina did vere well in the 80's. I f they they sold 100 millions record with less than half successful chart performences as Barbra, it's no way Barbra sold less than 200 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skkywill (talk • contribs) 08:19, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Since the above discussion is mostly based on synth, and there's an edit war going on, can someone clear up a few issues?

• Why is the 245 figure given by the Washington Post, Katie Kouric, and the Hollywood Reporter being deleted?
• Why is the RIAA given as a source for 145, when it doesn't mention 145 (per source}? Nor are those figures mentioned in their brief bio.
• If the RIAA does mention 145 somewhere, shouldn't both figures be stated as sourced for clarity?--Light show (talk) 17:26, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

The RIAA mentions Barbra Streisand as the best selling female artist in America, however they only mention United States album sales. The Worldwide RECORD sales for Barbra Streisand, that they keep trying to justify as 145 million simply doesn't make sense. 145 million is around the amount of albums she sold, not total records. The Barbra Streisand wiki page is the only page that lists an artists total album sales as their total record sales and that's a major discredit to Ms. Streisand. Talk shows and documentaries use 200+ records, not 145 million records. 74.202.193.44 (talk) 20:44, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

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The word "select"

   A colleague has apparently never thot about the word "select" long enuf to realize that while fine to sling around in resumes and pop bios, and at award ceremonies, it actually has a meaning in an encyclopedic article, and that meaning goes beyond "small". It has to do with "selecting", not in the manner used by the Selective Service System, but by thoughtful evaluation. To describe that group as "select" on WP one would in practice have to find a reliable source for each of the four mutually independent awarding organizations, stating that it makes no award (at least to an entertainer)

1. without checking which of the other three awards the candidate has already received, and
2. when appropriate labels the ballot in big letters saying

"This candidate has previously won [all of the other three awards], so

you may not vote for them after considering only whether they meet the normal criteria for [our award];

you first must also consider whether

awarding them [ours] would unduly cheapen the honor, to future entertainers, that is entailed in having won all four."

If all four orgs have maintained that discipline since the inception of the youngest of the 4, then those entertainers in the intersection of their four respective sets of winners are "select", by having been explicitly more stringently evaluated than those who have won only three.
   Pending refs for that, the article remains vague (despite my replacing the word "select") by not saying how "small" the group is. But it is no longer recklessly unfounded, nor almost certainly false.
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Encyclopedic relevance of noting an early "crush"

Some early life friendship commentary was deleted without a valid reason. It had a RS. The deleter wrote that because "it didn't lead to anything serious between them," it's not worth including. I disagree. She was 16 and recalled her "crush" during an interview. It was obviously "serious" to her as they were having a steady adolescent relationship. Maybe if her crush was not of someone as notable as Bobby Fischer, it might be trivial. I will restore it pending other opinions. We shouldn't trim down early life friendships or relationships just because they didn't "go all the way".

When she was 16 she had a "crush" on chess champion Bobby Fischer, who was then 15, recalling, "I would have lunch with him every day . . . He was an absolute nut, an eccentric at 15," although she thought he was a "genius." (Playboy interview, 1977)

--Light show (talk) 19:20, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Actual encyclopedic value appears to be nil, I fear. Collect (talk) 21:32, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

Collect is spot on. Per WP:NOTDIARY, not everything that goes on in a person's life is worth noting. My stance would remain the same regardless of whether or not this was about someone like Bobby Fischer. If on the other hand they had something prominent together, I'd say differently. Snuggums (talk / edits) 00:03, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

You mean something "prominent," like this instead of just this?--Light show (talk) 01:47, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

I meant something more like what Macaulay Culkin and Mila Kunis had together or perhaps Ryan Gosling and Rachel McAdams. Snuggums (talk / edits) 02:00, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

Their friendship has also been cited in her bio by Christopher Andersen. In any case, when the world's youngest chess champion and famous loner gives up this to have his lunches with young Barbra, it's certainly worth a few lines in this 11,000-word bio. It adds some interesting personal life details, which is lacking in far too many bios.--Light show (talk) 03:07, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

You honestly are trying too hard to justify keeping trivia. Again, please see WP:NOTDIARY, which states Even when an individual is notable, not all events they are involved in are. For example, news reporting about celebrities and sports figures can be very frequent and cover a lot of trivia, but using all these sources would lead to over-detailed articles that look like a diary. WP:ITSINTERESTING also isn't by itself a very strong reason to keep something in an article. Snuggums (talk / edits) 03:41, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

The Last of the Great Belters

If my memory serves me correctly, on the Judy Garland Show it was Ethel Merman who made the comment ... not Judy Garland herself. I could be mistaken, but if someone has access to a recording of the show, will they confirm this? Tesseract501 (talk) 07:22, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Since my post, directly above, I obtained a copy of the 1963, Episode 5, of The Judy Garland Show. During a talk between Judy and Barbra, about 40 minutes into the show and after a few numbers, Ethel Merman appeared from a seat in the audience, singing. According to the dialog, it was a surprise visit, and Ethel only appeared for this few-minute segment. Ethel joined them up on stage, saying she was across the hall taping a part on the Red Skelton Show. Judy mentioned that she assumed Ethel was belting on Red's show. Ethel replied that she came over because she heard Judy and Barbra belting. Ethel said Barbra was the new belter. After their apparently impromptu dialogue, these three belted out the song There's No Business Like Show Business, together. Tesseract501 (talk) 05:46, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Howdy folks. As of today's date, the article still references Judy saying Barbra was one of the last great belters. If an editor is still monitoring this, when you have the time, please correct the article according to what I wrote directly above (if my ramblings are too confusing, I can clarify). If you need to verify it first-hand, come on over for Old-Movie Night at my place and I'll run the 1963 episode (and make popcorn too). Cheers! Tesseract501 (talk) 02:56, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Misleading lead

In "having released 53 gold albums, 31 platinum albums, and 14 multi-platinum albums in the United States" A multiplatinum album is also being counted as a platinum album and gold album (its previous certifications). It shouldn't be like that, it seems she has released 98 albums. Cornerstonepicker (talk) 18:50, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Record sales

Hello, I'm comeback because in the past, there were a edit war about her records/albums sales of 145 or 245 million. In my position, I tried to demostrates as other users (like @88marcus: or @Binksternet:), that the figure of 245 is "wrong". @Light show: posted a message on my talk about my position. At those time, I haven't any time on my real life. Now, I have a little more so I think that I can open this new discuss.

Most of the sources that gives 245 figures are from 2014 to present. Everybody can access to the history on the article and in this 2 November 2014 version We can see that the figures on the article are 245, but the references says 145. Those figures happens in the collective-references when she releases her album Partners. IPS since then puts the records and later wasn't never revert and for the media was taken generally that Barbra sold 245 million records. So, I think strongly that these figures are primary sources. So, it doesn't matter if reliables sources now provides that she sold 245, maybe could be Forbes that provices this information or the same artist, but with the "Wiki-magic" almost every sources copy from Wikipedia, more in the record sales (see a classic example from Michael's Jackson hoaxes). Most of the classic or new artist increases their sales promotional, are few that never do this like Madonna (she released two albums between 2012 and 2016 and her record sales are always clean: 300).

Additional, with the List of best-selling music artists We can see that her certified units are like 97.1 millions. Those figures coverages her figures and all her music major markets, including obviously United States.

My two cents: keep both figures (as the Poland IP posted before), because We are not judges of the information, especially when reliable sources are treated. And this is not WP:SYN or other policy. . Regards, Chrishonduras (talk) 21:17, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

Barbra Streisand's record sales have stated 245 million on Wikipedia for over a year now. What's with the sudden change? The media is obviously starting to shift to that number? 2601:C1:C001:BF2D:595A:E9F5:36C7:858 (talk) 18:16, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

It's the Woozle effect, with one wrong statement being parroted by others. The best sources give a lower number, for instance 145 million from the UK Telegraph. Binksternet (talk) 06:45, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

Woozle effect in sales jumping from 145 to 240 million

To recap previous arguments, the sources published prior to December 2013 reported sales in range of 100 to 150 million. On December 16, 2013, an IP editor from Louisiana changed 145 million to 240 million. This change was reverted on December 25, 2013.[5] The same Louisiana IP returned on January 18, 2014, and changed it back to 240 million.[6] Five weeks later, an editor restored 145 million.[7] In June 2014, an IP editor from Atlanta changed the sales figure to 245 million,[8] and did it again two months later[9] when this was corrected by an editor.[10] This last change stayed in place for many months until mid-January 2015.[11] Note that none of the references in that time supported 240 or 245 million—they were all lower by at least 100 million, for instance this June 2013 Telegraph article which says 145 million. A month later our friend using IPs from China arrived to call Streisand a "legend" and to start in earnest the bitter edit war which continues today.[12]

I think we are looking at the Woozle effect in action, where writers have taken their sales figures from this very article, to be parroted back into it later, a violation of WP:CIRCULAR. I think we must not use any sales sources published in 2014 or later, unless the source traces the sales figures in a researched manner, using official charts. Binksternet (talk) 23:00, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Binksternet, may be worth an email to the NY Times asking how they came up with that figure? --NeilN ^{talk to me} 23:26, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm considering it. Binksternet (talk) 00:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry for stumbling into this - when I notice it was NYTimes, I Just assumed it was an updated figure. I never considered the idea the Times would get caught up in a CIRCULAR problem. If you do contact the TImes, Binksternet, and it does turn out they got it from here, make sure you ask them to issue a correction. Krelnik (talk) 12:16, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

On October 16, 2014, Katie Couric reported on Yahoo Global News that Streisand had sold 245 million records: "Duet with son highlight for Streisand: 'I had to sing with him'". The new album Partners had been out for just one month; it was going to be certified Gold a few months later. During September and early October 2014 when Couric was researching her article, this biography gave an unsupported sales figure of 245 million.[13] I'm sure Couric tapped Wikipedia for the figure, as she doesn't show her work in arriving at the number. Note that the very successful Partners album sold about 1.5 million units, not 100 million units! Binksternet (talk) 00:33, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The same exact problem can be seen in news stories about Streisand hosting The Tonight Show, for instance The Hollywood Reporter from September 15, 2014, and The Washington Post from September 16, 2014. On those dates our biography here had that unsupported 245 million sales figure.[14] It's CIRCULAR or Woozle, not official chart stuff. Binksternet (talk) 00:47, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

(sorry for my english) I think she sold 145 million albums, not records. I believe single sales are in 20–25 millions. All her 60s albums sold at least 1 million copies worldwide, but not much more than that, except for People, My name is Barbra two, each one of them sold 1 million copies only in US, and The Christmas album, that sold 5 million copies in US only, according to RIAA. So, she sold at least 20 million copies only in the 60s. (with 16 albums)

In this reports, they said that each of her albums sold 1 million worldwide:

• LIFE magazine: http://barbra-archives.com/bjs_library/60s/life_1966_march.html

70s: I think it's fair to consider that her gold usa records (7 albums) sold at least 1 million copies together wit US sales. Four albums sold one million only in US, I assume they sold 1 million copies internationaly too. And the we have her most successful albums 3 sold 2 millions only in USA and their estimates are in 3 milion copies worldwide each. Her second greates hits sold almostt 6 million copies if you consider the certifications in the article page (note that in UK they didn't have the multiplatinum certificate. Barbra and other instruments, Clear day, owl and pussycat not reached even 500 in USA, 1 million worldwide for the three together. A Star is born at least 5 millions (certifications only)... So, we have at least 36 million copies.

80s: Guilty sold at least 9 million copies, Yentl 3,5 millions (see the article), Broadway album at least 7, Emotion, Till I loved you, and One voice 2 millions worldwide, Memories at least 7 million (only including certified) and A collection at least 3 millions. So, we have 36 million copies.

90s: Only considering certifications: Back to broadway 3 million, The concert and Higher ground 4 millions each. a love like ours 2 millions. Her boxset e The concert highlights sold 500,000 in USA only. at least 14 millions.

00s and 2010s: probably 14 millions, considering certifications only and estimates I made myself...

So we have 120 million albums, since a lot of countries didn't have certifications organizations, and even weekly charts, in the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s I think add more 20–25 millions to this seems reasonable. Some places like the UK, where she's very successful, only had multi platinum certifications in the 90s... and so that's it. 145 million albums and 20–25 million singles.--88marcus (talk) 03:11, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

FYI I've requested temporary semi-protection of the page to calm down the IP edits while you guys sort this out. --Krelnik (talk) 12:26, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a week. Hopefully it will promote discussion. Airplaneman ✈ 15:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

I still supporting my position that her most accurate figures are 145 million records, not albums (and not 245 million records), even if she has several decades in the industry. Her main market is United States (the biggest music market worldwide, yes) and later, inconsistently: UK, FRA, CAN and AUS. But even, if she had records before the certifications began in some of those or other countries, is not enough like we can say 245 million (145 jumping to 245). She is not a million seller in albums and singles and is not consistent in each decade or market. Im sure that she sold more records that 145 million, but we cannot put that is 245 million because is the next available figures. Is very pushing. So, there is one factor. The other one, is like its look clear that is a hoax originated from Wikipedia with the vandalism, the most importat, I supose. Regards Chrishonduras (talk) 01:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC) (and sorry for my english, I hope that is understandable)

I agree with you. If we put 245 million now, in about five years, the media will place she has sold 345 million copies worldwide. 145 million is the most appropriate for now.--88marcus (talk) 03:45, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

She had 145 million in sales just before the release of the 2014 Partners album which sold about 1.5 million. Combined with the continuing sales of her previous works, the grand total would be about 147 or 148 million today. Not 245 million. Binksternet (talk) 03:51, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

The original claim of 140 million was also parroted from an unofficial book in the 1990's. Barbra is far ahead of her contemporaries of the time Cher, Dolly Parton, Donna Summer, etc. They're around 100 million in album sales. Barbra was the most successful singles seller of the 90's and one of the biggest album sellers of all time even in international markets. It's always claims that stars pre-70's were domestic sellers (short of the Beatles and Elvis) because certifications didn't exist for them. Barbra sold very well internationally after the 60's according to certifications. 245 million is more reasonable than 145 million. She's been stuck at 140 ish since the 90's which doesn't make sense. She is a lot bigger than Frank Sinatra who's been certified for 37 million but somehow he's been justified as selling 150 million records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.96.15.81 (talk) 13:40, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

You are basing this on "an unofficial book"? That gives you no leverage in this discussion. Binksternet (talk) 15:36, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm just saying that the 140 million claim was parroted as well in the 90s and now it has reached Wikipedia. Both figures were parroted. If anything there needs to be range instead of a concrete figure in order to avoid an edit war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1005:B054:35C4:30E7:7985:209D:3C88 (talk) 16:31, 26 August 2016 (UTC) Once more time people want to underestimate Barbra's sales, her total available certified units: 97.3 million , Cher's is 40.4 million, Tina's is 32.6 million , Olivia Newton-John's is 34.5 million , Donna's is Total available certified units: 30.8 million, and their's wiki pages "has sold 100 million records worldwide"？ Barbra's chart performance is bteer than thiers combined，so Barbra is 140 million record？ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.162.66.216 (talk) 07:54, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

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No South Park?

It's a joke that the "television references" section doesn't include a mention of South Park, who aired an entire episode in "spooky vision" (which just meant there was a picture of Babs in each corner). She was also in another episode as mecha-Streisand, a giant robotic dinosaur who had to be stopped by Robert Smith. Clearly this page has been written by a gushing fanboi who would rather only tell half the story. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.10.30 (talk) 01:09, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

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