Talk:Ballot access in the 2024 United States presidential election

NLP, Forward, WFP

I cannot find any sources saying Forward/WFP will put forward a candidate in 2024, can they be removed?

Also, am I fine to move NLP to major party? Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 01:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Probably shouldn't differenciate between "major third" and "smaller third" parties anyway Longestview (talk) 01:53, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Utah

On February 28, Utah Governor Spencer Cox signed SB 107, which changes the independent candidate petition deadline for all offices from January to June 15. 2601:881:8380:1E50:E427:FB41:A296:8D3F (talk) 03:19, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

PSL Florida

The Party for Socialism and Liberation for Florida is a qualified party in Florida but I have seen no news confirming that de la Cruz will be on the ballot there. Anyone know if this is a Green Party of Alaska situation or is it safe to assume they are nominating de la Cruz?

https://dos.fl.gov/elections/candidates-committees/political-parties/ Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 16:11, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

In order to be on the ballot for President in Florida, you have to either get a petition signed by 1% of registered voters or you have to be "registered with and recognized as a qualified national committee of a political party by the Federal Election Commission." https://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2011/103.021

From Ballot Access News:

"In 2020, the Secretary of State put the Party for Socialism and Liberation on the ballot for president, even though the PSL has never been recognized as a national committee by the FEC, and even though it did not do the huge presidential petition. The only parties that have ever been recognized by the FEC as national committees are the Republican, Democratic, Libertarian, Green, Constitution, Natural Law, Reform, and Socialist Parties. The 2011 law discriminates against new parties, because the FEC will never grant "national committee" status to a new party. Only parties that have already had a presidential nominee on the ballot in several states, and also congressional candidates on the ballot in several states, can qualify as “national committees."

Seems to be up to the Secretary of State, that is if they can't get enough signatures. Longestview (talk) 17:28, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Add no labels ballet access

No labels missing in graph 2A02:FE1:5190:A800:EC50:DFAA:ED6F:CB62 (talk) 09:53, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No Labels is not running a candidate for President, so they are not included.

Article from the Associated Press: No Labels won’t run a third-party campaign after trying to recruit a centrist presidential candidate Longestview (talk) 20:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Biden is not on the ballot yet in OH, AL and WA.

All 3 states have ballot deadlines before the DNC takes place and OH and AL are refusing to put Biden on the ballots. WA will make an exemption.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-ohio-ballot-republican-election-official-concerned-deadline/story?id=109263042

This should be mentioned. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 04:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Update: Alabama has passed legislation to allow Biden on their ballot.

Ohio still hasn't passed legislation to have Biden on.

There should be a footnote in the table, or Biden ballot access in OH should be removed for now.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4658029-joe-biden-why-not-on-november-ohio-ballot-yet/ Glasperlenspieler (talk) 03:55, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

Cruz / Garcia Ballot Access in California

the Cruz/Garcia ticket will have ballot access in California during the 2024 General election. They were chosen by the California Peace and Freedom Party

I believe that the chart should reflect this information (especially considering that the ticket was victorious against Cornell West in achieving the CPF nomination)

https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_election_in_California,_2024 2601:5CF:8000:6B60:9160:522C:B95C:CCB3 (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The P+F primary was non-binding, as its nominating convention will be held in August. As far as this page is concerned, she does not yet have ballot access in CA.. Longestview (talk) 00:24, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Ballot Access Deadline in Montana

The table says that the ballot access deadline for independents in Montana is today, but ballotpedia says it's June 3rd, 2024 (https://ballotpedia.org/Ballot_access_requirements_for_presidential_candidates_in_Montana) Also I'd think at least RFK would be sending out emails like they did when there was a day left on the Texas ballot access deadline, but so far I haven't really heard any of the candidates talking about Montana ballot access... JeffTheManWithNothing (talk) 23:24, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

The cited source has a footnote: "Deadline to file petitions with county officials for signature verification: 5/27/2024" A week before. If there's a difference between the two, do tell. Longestview (talk) 00:21, 28 May 2024 (UTC)

Jeff, it seems very odd that RFK's website lists Montana's deadline as 08/14/2024 ... is he really that off? Piratetales (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

I found the statute. Electors for president and vice president are treated like any other statewide candidate. The deadline for independent statewide candidates to file is 76 days before the general election, and applying the 1-week rule noted above gives you August 14. Title 13, chapter 10, part 5, section 504. Ballotpedia seems to be using the deadline for legislative candidates, at least for Montana. Longestview (talk) 20:25, 2 June 2024 (UTC)

PSL Ballot Status Change in Pennsylvania

I am by no means knowledgeable on this subject, but this Tweet implies that de la Cruz and Garcia are fully on the ballot in Pennsylvania now, does it not? If so, should the table be changed to a green checkmark for PA now? 2601:983:200:4070:F46B:35AF:53CC:4014 (talk) 22:25, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Just says they’ve been submitted, not certified by the state. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 02:54, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

LPCO/LNC Candidate Dispute

Currently, the LPCO and LNC are arguing over who belongs on the CO libertarian ticket. The LNC appears to have filed something with the SoS while the local LPCO has nominated Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

This is an ongoing dispute afaik and not resolved.

Also, campaign volunteers managed to submit signatures to place him on the ballot as an independent aswell per https://www.kennedy24.com/_kennedy_submits_double_signatures_needed_ballot_colorado

Buildershed (talk) 03:32, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Colorado doesn't allow fusion tickets, meaning the Secretary of State will approve Kennedy as an independent candidate + most likely certify Chase Oliver as the official candidate in Colorado for the Libertarian Party (because the national Libertarian Party wrote a letter to her, and their national delegate vote at the convention trumps the state party).

https://ballot-access.org/2024/07/11/rfk-jr-independent-petition-signatures-turn-in-occurred-today-in-colorado/ Glasperlenspieler (talk) 04:19, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

RFK Jr ballot access data out of date

RFK’s campaign website shows him being on the ballot in more states then this Wikipedia article does.

https://www.kennedy24.com/ballot-access

can someone fix this? 216.174.98.252 (talk) 02:11, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

It was updated. Kennedy's campaign shows 34 states where signature collection has finished, the same as in the Wikipedia table. The difference is in the number of states the campaign believes they already have ballot access in vs. the Wikipedia table: states need to verify signatures and this will take until early October in some states with late filing deadlines. So, we'll only know in October in which states Kennedy will be on the ballot (there are also legal challenges). Glasperlenspieler (talk) 20:51, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Inconsistencies

It seems like there are huge inconsistencies between the data we have and the data on NYT. For example NYT shows RFK as being on the ballot in 18 states and our table says 27. NYT shows Cornel is on in 5 states, this page says 13. What the fucks going on

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/politics/presidential-candidates-third-party-independent.html HolyJabronie (talk) 02:05, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Look at the references? Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 03:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

The NYT list is quite poor. For example, they list Massachusetts for the Libertarians when the Massachusetts party disaffiliated with the national party three years ago. Also did the same for New Mexico (although moot because now Oliver petitioned under a new party).

Additionally this table counts presumptive nominations. For example, in Florida the Reform Party announced they would nominate RFK and the Natural Law Party announced they would nominate Cornel West, though they haven’t filed the paperwork yet. The problem is if you don’t use the presumptive definition, Harris would currently be on zero ballots Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 03:58, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

Wasn’t the Florida deadline over a month ago? And Harris has been the formal nominee since August 6th HolyJabronie (talk) 05:42, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

for new parties yes, and just because she’s the nominee doesn’t mean the party has formally submitted slates of electors to every state etc Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 20:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)

A list of (swing) states where RFK Jr. is withdrawing, after partially suspending his campaign

In his press statement, he said he'll withdraw from about 10 swing states, but will remain on the ballot in all others. Currently, I am aware of only AZ and PA where he withdrew his name. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 19:56, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

The ten swing states are AZ (confirmed off), FL (confirmed off), GA (court found him ineligible, so probably off anyway), MI (confirmed on, third party candidates can't be removed from ballots), NV (he missed the deadline, but was already being removed due to ineligibility, so he stopped contesting that), NC (probably will still be on but not confirmed), OH (confirmed off, even after they made the Democrats jump through hoops to meet an artificial ballot deadline), PA (confirmed off), TX (confirmed off), and WI (confirmed on, living candidates can't be removed from ballots).

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rfk-jr-ballot-battleground-states/ 2600:4808:2950:1100:AD4B:EEFA:6479:7751 (talk) 05:15, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

RFK's filing has now reached all 50 states + DC, with 41 filings (certified in 29 states, enough signatures submitted in 11 more states + DC, but not yet verified). In 10 more states, RFK has withdrawn so far and won't be on the ballots. Glasperlenspieler (talk) 03:24, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

General Election: Ballot Access Table - include all candidates who could theoretically win

The table under General Election listing ballot access by party currently:

1: includes one candidate who cannot possibly win (Constitution: Terry/Broden), and

2: exludes one candidate who can theoretically win (ASP: Sonski/Onak).

My suggestion for objective criteria for table inclusion would be that, at a minimum, all candidates who could theoretically win should be included. This would result in the addition of one candidate to this table. Additionally, I would not find it objectionable to exclude candidates who cannot win, which would result in removing one candidate from the table. The dividing line of, "ten states or fewer," from the first table is arbitrary and does not perfectly correlate to a candidate's ability to theoretically win the election. 74.75.84.150 (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

Third parties cooperating

I think that it would be important to include how the Green Party, Party for Socialism and Liberation, and Justice for All Party are encouraging their supporters in states where they don't have ballot access to vote for the other parties.

PSL: Vote for West/Abdullah in Alaska / JFA: Vote for Claudia/Karina in Florida, Hawaii, New Mexico, Mississippi, and Tennessee

PSL: Vote for Stein/Ware in Montana and Arkansas / Green: Vote for Claudia/Karina in Indiana and North Dakota ASLV (talk) 11:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Not counting

What exactly does it mean when there are options on the ballot but their votes don't count. Are the ballots invalid or count as write-ins? this should be elaborated in the article Braganza (talk) 18:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Basically they were sued and removed from the ballot, but the state doesn't want to pay to reprint the ballots, so there are signs in the voting booths stating that votes for those candidates are void. Crazysportsdude1 (talk) 15:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)