Talk:Bakewell pudding

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NPOV Flag added.

Reasons I flagged this article:

1. There seems to be a great deal of information about the Bakewell Pudding shop, but very little about the actual foodstuff- eg, no photo, no mention of common brand-name products, even in passing. The article also fails to name the 'second' pudding shop.

2. I would suggest that the 'common name' of the food is actually Bakewell Tart, rather than the other way around.

This is correct. The dish is now commonly known as Bakewell Tart (although this is largely a 20th Century usage), and the Bakewell Pudding variant (as a name, and with slight differences in the method of preparation) appears to be have preserved for largely commercial reasons in the town of Bakewell itself. Bakewell Tart 10:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

3. The article states that the recipe is secret, when a quick google search throws up more recipes than I am willing to link to in an article.

The exact composition of the puddings available from suppliers in Bakewell may well be a matter of commercial confidence, but the pudding generically known as Bakewell Pudding was already well known by the date of its supposed invention in the 1860s, as is apparent from the inclusion of a published recipe by Eliza Acton dating from 1845 (which can be found reproduced on the BBC website, if anyone is sufficiently interested). Bakewell Tart 20:41, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

4. Finally, the original author's story of the creation of the food is lacking in any evidence, quotes, etc.

As far as I'm aware, as someone who lives fairly nearby (in Chesterfield), Bakewell Pudding and Bakewell Tart are different things, not simply different names for the same thing. A bakewell Pudding is what you can buy in the 2 shops in Bakewell (see [1] for a picture), while Bakewell tarts are rather different, and are cakes with a jam filling. I'm not sure about the other recipes, or about the secret nature of recipe. I gather there was a legal battle about the name "Bakewell Pudding", and the original recipes game into play, but I don't really know the details. The other recipes might not be the official recipe.

I agree we need to know the source for the creation story. When I get the chance I'll have a look in my local library, to see if they have anything relevant. That might help with expanding (and checking) the article in general, as it does need quite a bit of expanding.Silverfish 19:37, 22 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Nomination

This article is rather obviously a thinly disguised advertisement for the shop to which most of the content refers. The Bakewell Tart article already makes a reference to the variant Bakewell Pudding, and I would suggest that it may be appropriate to further expand the Bakewell Tart article (without compromising its neutrality) and leaving a redirect here. Bakewell Tart 08:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Agree w/ above--FRS 19:43, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I find it odd that the editor that suggested the merger of these two articles has said nothing on the matter, either here, or on the talk page of the Bakewell Tart article. Does anyone have an alternate suggestion on how to proceed? Bakewell Tart 10:19, 3 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bakewell Tart and Bakewell Pudding are very different things. Surely each deserves its own article with a link saying "there is also a thing called a Bakewell......"??? Vhjh 23:00, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

De-merged I've have re-established this article in its own right. There is far more reference to the term pudding than there is tart. There is also a sufficiently obvious distinction between the two confections for the articles to stand in their own right. Pol430 talk to me 18:12, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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