Talk:Baby Be-Bop

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Did you know... that four men sued the city of West Bend, Wisconsin, for the right to burn Baby Be-Bop publicly in 2009?

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 8 January 2020 and 26 February 2020. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Amdoubleu. Peer reviewers: Qtwinbush45, Pfowler17, Kerrymonique.

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I added the infobox, a brief summary, and a couple of references in the reception area. Will continue to work on this page. Amdoubleu (talk) 19:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added award nomination information with the appropriate citation and began to write summary. Amdoubleu (talk) 20:52, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grlucas: Per your request, this is the article on which I am working. Shalor was kind enough to offer to upload the book cover for me once the article is live and I am still working on the summary and a few other items. Any suggestions you may have would be greatly appreciated! Amdoubleu (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Amdoubleu: Thank you. I assume this is a novel? If so, you should use a similar structure that we used with FOG. You should be able to upload the cover on Wikipedia under fair use. You can do it! This is a good start. Let me know if you need help with anything. —Grlucas (talk) 19:28, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grlucas: Thank you for the feedback! Yes, this is a novel. I am working to structure it like we did FOG and using information Dana shared with me on WikiProject: Novels. I have attempted to upload the book cover, but ran into some issues. However, I will work on figuring this out following the process we used for FOG. Amdoubleu (talk) 19:38, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Amdoubleu: Great. Wait until you publish the article before you upload the cover. Keep working! —Grlucas (talk) 21:53, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Added plot information and reviewed article before submitting for publication. Amdoubleu (talk) 16:51, 19 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grlucas: I think I managed to get the cover art included properly, but please let me know if you see any issues. Amdoubleu (talk) 20:18, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Amdoubleu: The cover art looks fine. Good job. What else are you planning on adding to the article? Background? Publication info? Analysis? —Grlucas (talk) 13:45, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Grlucas: Great! Thanks for the feedback. I plan on trying to expand the background and summary a bit more and will see what other information I might be able to dig up. Amdoubleu (talk) 19:18, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:21, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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~~... that there was a call in West Bend, Wisconsin for Baby Be-Bop to be publicly burned in 2009?~~ ^[1]

Created/expanded by Amdoubleu (talk). Self-nominated at 20:37, 20 February 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Starting review --valereee (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: --valereee (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Are you sure of the de Lint source? I can't find it online, but I do find this which seems to indicate that a Michelle West reviewed this book in May of 1996. --valereee (talk) 13:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: Hi! Yes, I found the de Lint review using my library's online access to the Gale Literature Resource Center. Amdoubleu (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't like to mess with anything inside quotation marks if I can't get to the source myself, but I assume 'whimsical na-lure' is a typo, not a nod to some term the book uses? --valereee (talk) 13:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: While I agree it's a strange term, 'whimsical na-lure' is not a typo. de Lint uses it in his review. Amdoubleu (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is that a digitally scanned version? I think it's artifact, maybe a stray mark on the page that turned a t into what was read as -l. 'Whimsical nature' is a common term, and this book has a magical setting which that term would understandably be used to describe. I think we can safely correct it. --valereee (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking some context for the hook would be good. Can you come up with a version that adds at least the year and probably some indication of location, could be 'West Bend, Wisconsin' or 'a town in Wisconsin' or 'a town in the US' --valereee (talk) 14:32, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: Sure! I was worried about making it too long originally, but would be happy to include additional information!

That looks good; we might want to tweak it to an active statement like 'citizens in west bend wisc called for' --valereee (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

* I think the final words of the plot summary are too close to Amazon's description, unless that's a quote from the book, in which case we should put it in quotes. Do you have access to the book? --valereee (talk) 14:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

My library let me download and this phrase was indeed a direct quote from the book, so I've fixed this. --valereee (talk) 22:53, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: Thank you for the feedback and the addition of the quote! Amdoubleu (talk) 17:20, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ping Amdoubleu --valereee (talk) 23:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Amdoubleu, other than that I think we're good! --valereee (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, Amdoubleu, I think the last thing we're waiting on is tweaking the hook into active voice, something like 'A group in West Bend, Wisconsin, called for ...' --valereee (talk) 11:53, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

valereee, Amdoubleu was part of a class, and as far as I can tell, it ended on or around February 27, so I very much doubt we'll be hearing from him again. I've done some clean-up in the article, and believe the sourcing supports the following (I don't think there are BLP issues since none of the four men are named, and I didn't even use the name of their organization, since it may, for all I know, only exist for the purposes of the lawsuit):

ALT1: ... that four men sued the city of West Bend, Wisconsin, for the right to publicly burn Baby Be-Bop in 2009?

Please let me know if you need anything further. Thanks. (I thought about "city and library" rather than just "city", but think the hook is more arresting in the shorter version.) BlueMoonset (talk) 17:38, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

works for me! --valereee (talk) 19:28, 23 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Miller, Laura (June 2009). "A teen book burns at the stake". Salon. Retrieved February 5, 2020.

Amdoubleu (talk) 20:46, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what happened?

The article describes the 2009 lawsuit, and relates that "The complaint demanded that Baby Be-Bop be publicly burned . . ." It says nothing more about the suit, despite that it was filed more than an decade ago. This is really begging the question (in the modern sense) and makes it look like nobody bothered to find out. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 14:21, 3 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Miller, Laura (June 2009). "A teen book burns at the stake". Salon. Retrieved February 5, 2020.

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