Talk:BAFTA Award for Best Actress in a Leading Role

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Following an appeal at my talk page, I have protected this page to allow discussion to take place here. Please take the chance to do so. --John (talk) 01:48, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

One or two pages

On the dispute between HesioneHushabye and Chie one. I am in favour of having one BAFTA Best Actress page. If you are going to have a separate Best British Actress page, then for consistency, you should also have a separate Best Foreign Actress page, but then having three pages would be excessive. The way the Best Actress page stands at the moment gives an unfair bias against Best British Actress winners, it is also factually incorrect, as it lists the Foreign Actress winners as Best Actress winners. Wikipedia is supposed to be encyclopedic, so the winners of Best Foreign Actress should be listed as such. I think it was less confusing having the one page (as it is with the Best Actor page), with the categories from 1952-1967, clearly listed as Best British Actress and Best Foreign Actress. L1975p (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If there is going to be one page, someone will have to spend time deleting the other page, and creating the new tables to match what is already on the page. The user ChieOne was deleting my work and replacing it with the cruddy old format using dashes;;. If that user wants to make the changes so bad they should be willing to put in the time and effort to make it look like the Best Actor page and the rest of this page then, as I have spent many many hours creating the tables that are on the page currently. I think the Best Actor page looks very messy having the two different categories there one on top of the other. I mean in one year alone for Best Lead Actress there was 10 foreign nominees, and then adding the British nominees on top of that would be overwhelming and keeping them separate makes it more simple. It is encyclopedic and not factually incorrect if it states at the top of the page the the winners from 1952-1967 are the winners of the Best Foreign Award. The Best Foreign winners are winners from many different countries (like the Oscars) and the Best British winners are obviously all British and most from British films, so I feel they are very different and should be on separate pages. I think the way it is now is fine.HesioneHushabye (talk) 19:47, 11 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for replying. I agree that if the page is to be restored to the way it was before it was split, it should be done properly and I would be happy to do that, having also spent many hours on awards pages. The 1952-67 winners won Best Foreign Actress and should be listed as such and I don't think it is fair (or encyclopedic) to have a bias in favour of the Foreign winners over the British ones. Keeping the Foreign winners on the main page, but not the British ones is assuming that if there was only one award, the winner would be foreign. However, that is just what it is, an assumption (made by you) not a fact. The Oscars is not comparable, as there has only ever been one best actress prize, not two. I know there's a note at the top of the page, it was actually me who corrected/expanded on your original note (Jan 9 2013), but I still think splitting the page leads to more confusion, not less, especially to the casual observer. You may think the page is fine, but the fact is, as the page stands, it is incorrect. L1975p (talk) 09:37, 12 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The page is not incorrect, it would be incorrect if the Best British Actress nominees weren't listed at all, anywhere or if there was nothing on the page indicating that the nominees from 52-67 were called "Best Foreign Actress , which is just a title , the award didn't change from 67 to 68, only the name. which is indicated at the top of the page. I think the casual observer and especially someone who is looking and knows about BAFTA already can read and click on another link to view the British nominees, that way space is given so they can be appreciated separate as they should be. versus adding more names and titles to the page when there are lots of them there already. I find it odd you didn't just change it if you had a problem with it when I made it that way over a year ago, and no one else has had an issue with it. HesioneHushabye (talk) 20:46, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Someone else has had an issue with it, User:Chie one, which is one of the reasons we are having this discussion. I did not oppose it before because I thought that you might go on and create a separate page for Best Foreign Actress, which is not just a title, it also happens to be the correct title. Also, the award did change from 1967 to 1968, actually it changed considerably, from two awards into one Best Actress award. The fact remains, the one Best Actress award did not exist before 1968. It would at least have been consistent to have also created a separate Foreign Actress page, although as I said previously, I think that three pages would be excessive, that is why I'm in favour of a single page. As it stands, preference has been given to one set of winners over another (on your say so), which I think is unfair and misleading, and it is incorrect to list the winners of Best Foreign Actress in the same table as the Best Actress winners. Whereas before, at least everyone was listed with the correct title. You say they should be separate, personally, I think you could list the British, Foreign and Combined winners in three separate tables but still all on the one page. There are 62 years currently on the page (including this year), adding back the British Actress winners takes the total to 78, which I don't think is excessive, and in separate tables they would be more clearly displayed. L1975p (talk) 23:39, 13 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

is it out of order dates wise

according to the BAFTA site betsy blair won foreign actress in 1956,[1] not anna magnani. its not a big deal I see that-I only looked becsuse I noticed Jean Simmons nominated as a foreign actress in 1956 according to her wp page, - according to BAFTA she was nominated in 1957 for guys and dolls[2], not 1956 as this article says - though that itself seems odd as guys and dolls is a 1955 film. it all seems a bit of whack. Sayerslle (talk) 13:15, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sayerslle. The winners and nominees are listed on the wikipedia page under the year the film was released, while the BAFTA site lists them under the year of the award ceremony. The film Marty was released in 1955 and Betsy Blair received the Bafta in early 1956. Anna Magnani is listed under 1956 on wikipedia and under 1957 on the BAFTA site. That's also why Cate Blanchett for Blue Jasmine is listed under 2013 on wiki (year of films release) and under 2014 on the BAFTA site (year of award ceremony). As for Guys and Dolls, although it was released in the US in 1955, it was not released in the UK until early 1956, so Simmons would have received her nomination for the 1957 ceremony. L1975p (talk) 23:22, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh I see, like the Césars , I think they are in January of the following year for the presentation ceremony. thanks for reassuring me the article isn't out of step dates-wise. Sayerslle (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]