Talk:Azad Kashmir/Archives/2020

The name of this article should be Pakistan occupied kashmir

Its Azad Kashimir for Pakistan. Are we writing articles only from Pakistan's point of view? Please change the name of this article to Pakistan occupied kashmir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightly ours (talk • contribs) 11:33, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2019

Copyvio redacted Subrata Sen Bhowmik (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: It's not clear what changes you would like made to the article. Please make your request in a "Change X to Y" format. Also note that copying text directly from another source into Wikipedia is a copyright violation, which is not permitted. Contributions to Wikipedia must be made in your own words. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:37, 30 September 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2019

WIKIPEDIA SHOULD ONCE TAKE A CHECK AT THE TITLE OF THE THE PAGE WHICH IS ""AZAD KASHMIR"" WHICH IS TOTALLY FAVORING PAKISTAN WIKIPEDIA IS AN INTENTIONALLY USED SOURCE AND THUS SHOULD NOT BE BIASED I APPEAL TO THE COMMUNITY TO CHANGE THE TITLE TO ""PAKISTAN ADMIN-STARTED KASHMIR 103.210.65.164 (talk) 11:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. DBigXrayᗙ 11:32, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

There is nothing "azad" about western Kashmir. For the title to be neutral it should be "Pakistan-administered Kashmir" as suggested above, or "Pakistan-controlled Kashmir". The current title is biased.Dori1951 (talk) 12:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2019

This page title should be Pakistan Occupied Kashmir Aaronwikicontributor (talk) 10:41, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please provide WP:THIRDPARTY reliable sources for contested claims. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 11:15, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 March 2020

Please change

nominally self-governing[1][2] jurisdiction,

to

nominally self-governing jurisdiction,[1][2]

This is in line with source [1], which says that it's organized as the state of Azad Kashmir (very top of page 127), which means that it's nominally a jurisdiction. Also, the references should come after the comma. 208.95.49.53 (talk) 14:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Kautilya3 (talk) 18:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 April 2020

Change the title from "Azad Kashmir" to "Pakistan-occupied Kashmir". 117.239.210.100 (talk) 08:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. We don't pick sides. El_C 09:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2020

Azad kashmir is pakistan occupied kashmir,it's not pakistan administrated kashmir,azad kashmir has it's own goverment Samanonymous1 (talk) 03:18, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 03:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 May 2020

Prime_Minister_of_Azad_Kashmir

Azad Kashmir is Pakistan occupied Kashmir,it's not Pakistan administrated KashmirhttpsPrime_Minister_of_Azad_Kashmir Samanonymous1 (talk) 03:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done because of WP:NPOV ("Pakistan occupied Kashmir" is largely absent from the discourse outside of India). – Uanfala (talk) 13:22, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Azad Kashmir is not a politically legal term.

Azad Kashmir means Independent Kashmir & the state of Kashmir is not politically independent. It is officially an integral part of India. Pakistan invaded India though a part of Kashmir in 1948 and that disputed territory is called POK - Pakistan Occupied Kashmir by India or Azad Kashmir by Pakistan. According to the United Nations, a plebiscite was to be conducted in that region and it would determine whether that area would be given freedom from India, or would it be taken into Pakistan or would it be declared an independent country. The said plebiscite never took place and hence very clearly, that area is politically still an integral part of India and illegally being occupied by Pakistan. Hence, the correct terminology that Wikipedia needs to use is Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, and not Azad Kashmir. Please refer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_47SunilPurushe1972 (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

That is a WP:FORUMy post, and I would have been justified in reverting it. Wikipedia is written based on reliable sources, not our own opinions. So, please find reliable WP:THIRDPARTY sources that back your claims. Until then hold your peace. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 00:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

What causes this page to be shown as “Pakistan Occupied Kashmir”?

If you ask Siri, or search “Azad Kashmir” on Safari, It brings up the title/says “Pakistan Occupied Kashmir” rather than Azad Kashmir and brings up the page from Wikipedia. I’ve checked everything and there is nothing that I can see that could cause this aside from previous Vanadalism though they were fixed immediately. Why does it say that rather than Azad Kashmir, any suggestions? Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 14:29, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't know why this is happening, but it's likely Siri was going off an earlier version of the article: between 23 and 24 May its infobox had its name as "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir". – Uanfala (talk) 17:14, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020

Request for adding a line specifying that the name 'Azad Kashmir' is only used by Pakistan and the territory is internationally known as Pakistan administered Kashmir while the Indian state identifies the territory as Pakistan Occupied Kashmir(Pok). This information must be specified to make the page more informative. Abhimanyu4141 (talk) 14:01, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide reliable sources for each of the claims you mention.--regentspark (comment) 15:54, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2020

183.83.225.102 (talk) 12:05, 12 June 2020 (UTC) Please change AZAD kashmir to Pakistan occupied Kashmir.

 Not done. That is not neutral. El_C 12:08, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

Pakistan occupied kashmir

It is pakistan occupied kashmir not Azad kashmir Darpannsharma (talk) 04:43, 19 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done According to India. Wikipedia stays neutral Taimoorahmed11 (talk) 16:22, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2020

AZAD Kashmir is not valid one. It should be Pakistan occupied kashmir. Raviraju vzm (talk) 10:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. - Timbaaa -> ping me 11:10, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

Ping pong

@Kautilya3: @Zararyounis7576:, you appearing to be playing ping pong. Please discuss the proposed changes here rather than engaging in an edit war. Best, Darren-M talk 17:03, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I agree Zararyounis7576 (talk) 17:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 June 2020

This article refers to the people of Azad Jammu and Kashmir as "ethnically Punjabi", barely anyone in AJK is ethnically Punjabi, go to the people and ask them or study their history. It's offensive to categorise them as an ethnic group, which they do not belong to, on top of that the civilisations of Azad Jammu and Kashmir existed thousands of years before the creation of punjab and the existence of the Punjabi people. It's offensive that mistakes like this are allowed to be made regarding a colonised people. 82.43.96.177 (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. That mention is sourced, whereas your comment provides zero citations. El_C 21:45, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

The source isn't backed by hard evidence and is merely the opinion of the author. The ethnicity of this region has never been surveyed so it's impossible to give evidence to the contrary. The source is dubious. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 20:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Edit semi-protected}} is for uncontroversial requests and isn't a way to bypass edit warring. You can continue discussing the sources below. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2020

Change

The population of Azad Kashmir is almost entirely Muslim. The people of this region culturally differ from the Kashmiris living in the Kashmir Valley of Jammu and Kashmir, and are closer to the culture of Jammu. Mirpur, Kotli and Bhimber are all old towns of the Jammu region.[52]

To:

The population of Azad Kashmir is almost entirely Muslim and comprises of a unique culture, with some differences to Kashmiris who reside in Jammu and Kashmir. The towns of Mirpur, Kotli and Bhimber are all old towns of the Jammu region.[52]

Change: Most residents of the region are not ethnic Kashmiris.[54] Rather the majority in Azad Kashmir are ethnically related to Punjabis.[55][56]

To:

Ethnic Kashmiris are also found in the Pakistani-administered region of Azad Kashmir and genetic patterning of Kashmiri groups found similarities to a number of nearby Indo-European ethno-linguistic populations in northern India and Pakistan.

 Not done This is not an uncontroversial edit; it pretty much turns the meaning that the passages are trying to convey on its head. Establish consensus here before using {{edit semi-protected}}. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 14:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

In fact, there is an ongoing discussion just up this page at #People of Azad Kashmir are not considered ethnically Punjabi's. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:12, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

References

People of Azad Kashmir are not considered ethnically Punjabi's

Summary:

1. No ethnic survey has been conducted by the AJK government or the Pakistani government in recent years. .
2. The figure of 83% is not backed by the author by any solid reference or source as none such source exists and is merely the opinion of the author.
3. The confusion exists because of a linguistic similarity that exists between "Pahari" and "Punjabi"..
4. Kashmiris of AJK are ethnically complex labelling them to be a single ethnicity is wrong.

My objections in a little detail

Pakistan and especially Azad Kashmir is a melting pot for several ethnicities and there is no clear distinction between ethnic groups major distinctions are drawn on the basis of language and region. Punjabis is not technically an ethnic group at all and consists of several ethnic groups such as Jatts Gujars Chaowdaries Rajput etc. They are given this name because of there linguistic similarities(Which is also a debatable topic ).

Due to the complexity of ethnicity in this region, the Pakistan government or the AJK government has never conducted an ethnicity survey or included the question of ethnicity in any of its census questionnaires (At least in recent times). So it's very hard to gauge the ethnicity of this region. Even the reference is given cites "It is important to note that ... Kashmiris are ethnically complex". The figure of 83% is not backed by the author by any solid reference as none such source exists and is merely the opinion of the author, and the reference that is given on indian Kashmir ethnicity is based on an indian census of the region.

The confusion exists because of a linguistic similarity that exists between "Pahari" and "Punjabi". But both of these languages are considered different. Pahari is spoken in AJK, Indian Jammu, Nepal, certain areas of Pakistan, Nothern India, etc on the other hand Punjabi and its dialects are spoken in the Punjab region of Pakistan and India. As a Nepali cant be considered a Punjabi because he speaks Pahari an AJK Kashmiri cant be considered a Punjabi just because of the language.

Punjabi people are mostly from the relatively flat region of Punjab where the main occupation is farming and the people of AJK are mostly considered mountain people because of their region where there is some farming but historically the region has been home to migrating nomadic herders(My family used to be nomadic herders in the 18th century in the Kashmir and Jammu region) or have been involved in cottage industries. Both these regions have a very different culture because of there region's climate and lifestyle.

AJK GB and Indian Kashmir were part of the Dogar dynasty up till ~1947 when the Dogar king succeeded to India. While Punjab has been for the most part in recent history been part of the Punjabi Sikh rulers in Lahore or under Mughal control. These areas have very distinct histories areas of current AJK were part of the Dogar dynasty.

Conclusion:

According to Wikipedia, "An ethnic group or ethnicity is a category of people who identify with each other, usually on the basis of presumed similarities such as a common language, ancestry, history, society, culture, nation, race or social treatment within their residing area".

1) Punjabis and people from AJK don't share the same language(Punjabi and Pahari are spoken in these regions respectively).

2) Kashmir is a melting pot no clear large scale genetic testing has been carried out in this region to justify any ancestry correlation.

3) AJK and Punjab don't have the same history one was part of the Dogar kingdom the other was part of the Sikh kingdoms.

4) People of AJK and Punjab have similar societal classes and family structures.

5) Due to climatic and occupational differences, these areas don't share the same culture.

6) Both are part of Pakistan but that doesn't make Pakistan an ethnic group.

7) It's hard to determine the race of anybody in AJK as a lot of races have mixed up in this region there is no single dominant race in AJK.

The most important factor is what the people of AJK think that their ethnicity is and the short answer is not Punjabi. In fact, being a Punjabi in this region is considered a slur(Means being a dum farmer boy). The reference given here isn't backed by evidence and using this single reference to categories 4 million people as Punjabis is wrong.

The biggest problem is that information on ethnicity in this region doesn't exist(Believe me I have looked ).

So the reference and the quote that the people of AJK are Punjabis should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zararyounis7576 (talk • contribs) 13:19, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

References

Here is the passage that you have deleted (I believe multiple times):

Azad Jammu and Kashmir has an almost entirely Muslim population. Most residents of the region are not ethnic Kashmiris. The majority of people in Azad Kashmir are ethnically Punjabi.

References

While you have written a long essay objecting to third sentence, you have provided no explanation at all why you deleted the first two sentences. Can you do that please? And, be brief. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:29, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I have no objection to the first sentence or the second one. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I also appreciate that you are discussing this rather than making nationally motivated statements. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 17:49, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

The objection I had with the second sentence is that it should be in the ethnicity section, not the religion that's why I removed it. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 18:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

@Kautilya3: Are you willing to come to a consensus? Zararyounis7576 (talk) 19:43, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

We are always willing to discuss, but not if you edit-war. When an edit is reverted, you are expected to discuss and come to a consensus. If you follow the procedure recommended in WP:BRD, you will never have a problem.

Coming to your actual objection, which is only to the third sentence, the source cited is a scholarly source, a paper called "Ethnic diversity and colonial legacy" by Charles H. Kennedy, in an edited collection published by an academic publisher, Rutledge. You cannot second guess such a scholarly source based on your own opinions. The scholar said that Kashmir is ethnically complex. He didn't say that Azad Kashmir is ethnically complex. If people get offended by facts of this kind, it is not our problem. Wikipedia does not WP:CENSOR information on the grounds that it offends somebody.

In terms of technical aspects, you should note that Pahari-Potwari is a language in the Punjabi family. It is also said in the lead of that article itself that Pahari-Potwari is a "linguistic identity" but not an "ethnic identity". Both Mirpuris and Poonchis enrolled in the Punjab Regiment during the British rule as "Panjabi Musalmans".

So I don't see any grounds for removing this sentence. I can consider weakening it to something like "ethnically related to Punjabis" or something. But I would need to find a source for it. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:46, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't tread the treacherous waters of ethnicity, but from the passing mentions in the linguistics literature I was left with the impression that the Pahari speakers of Kashmir do not identify as Punjabi, despite the great similarity in the language. The statement in the Pahari-Pothwari article about the absence of a separate ethnic identity is one that I added to an earlier version of the article (before all the rewrites) and one that I've just removed. I probably should have scrutinised it earlier: while true to the extent that speakers of the various Pahari/Pothwari varieties do not have a collective ethnic identity, it can't be taken to imply that they identify with Punjabi (or anything else). Also, I don't think the source was very specific, and it might have easily just been an extrapolation from the situation in the Potohar Plateau, where people do seem to count themselves as Punjabi. And on an unrelated note, Zararyounis7576, the Pahari mentioned here is not spoken east of Kashmir: it is a separete language from the other ones known by the same name. – Uanfala (talk) 21:07, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

References

"ethnically related to Punjabis" is a more accurate term but the most accurate term would be a Jammuite(This is a whole other debate). The problem is that the data that is used in "Ethnic diversity and colonial legacy" by Charles H. Kennedy is pre-1947. After the partition, the demographics of the region have changed dramatically. From 1947 to 1989 there have been 2.2 million Kashmiris/Jammuites immigrated/took refuge in Pakistan and most of them settled in AJK . This has changed the demography of the region considerably. The AJK government doesn't recognise any ethnicity and thus hasn't included ethnicity in any of its surveys/census so it's impossible to reach a conclusion on the ethnicity of this region on 70+ years-old data especially with mass immigration in between.

I am not refuting the whole research conducted Charles H. Kennedy I am just doubting this small section concerning the ethnicity of AJK to which he hasn't quoted any post-1947 source. A more reliable source with some hard evidence is needed with census data or a detailed study conducted after 1947 to prove that fact without that this is just his opinion. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 22:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Just a general Clarification that most people seem to misunderstand when someone from AJK claims to be Kashmiri he isn't talking about his ethnicity he is usually referring to being from AJK state. It's just a simpler way of expressing where he lives. Zararyounis7576 (talk) 22:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I am happy to change it to "ethnically related to Punjabis" since I believe that is accurate. But it would be more useful if you can give more detailed ethnicity descrptions later in the section.

I don't believe it is correct to claim that the demographics has been "dramatically altered" due to migrations from Jammu. Justice Muhammad Yusuf Saraf estimated the Jammu immigrant population in the whole of Pakistan to be half a million in 1970. See 1947 Jammu massacres#Population figures. Assuming a 20% decadal growth rate, they would have grown to about 1.2 million today. Mind you that this is for the whole of Pakistan. So it is quite impossible that 2.2 million of them exist in AJK. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 20:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

 Done. Changed to "ethnically related to Punjabis". -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:43, 28 July 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 3 August 2020

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) OhKayeSierra (talk) 20:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

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Azad Kashmir → Azad Jammu and Kashmir – Naming it only Kashmir is misleading since most of the land encompassed in it is technically considered a part of Jammu rather than Kashmir valley, as well as the people being ethno-linguistically Punjabi and the governments of both India and Pakistan referring to it as Jammu and Kashmir. Foxhound03 (talk) 11:17, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Support - as it is its official name and the most neutral source about Kashmir I know describes it as "Azad (‘Free’) Jammu and Kashmir, popularly called ‘Azad Kashmir’ [1] -- Kautilya3 (talk) 12:03, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. While the point about it being culturally closer to Jammu and Punjab is perfectly valid, it remains the case that "Azad Kashmir" is the far more commonly used name, which is what Wikipedia goes by when it differs from the official name. Note that even Kautilya3's source above mentions that it is popularly called ‘Azad Kashmir’. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 15:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

M Imtiaz, you make a good point but with names such as this I don't believe you should use the commonly used name. It's referred to as Azad Kashmir in a similar way to how the entire region geographically (including Jammu) is referred to Kashmir such as the case with this BBC article [2], which's title only has Kashmir and no reference to Jammu. I see it no different than the page on the a Indian administrated union territory or Jammu and Kashmir containing both "Jammu" and "Kashmir". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Foxhound03 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose per M Imtiaz. Azad Jammu and Kashmir may be the official (and longer) name, but WP:COMMONNAME still applies. Mar4d (talk) 04:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 5 September 2020

In the first sentence of the GOVERNMENT section, the word "informally" should be changed to "not yet" because Azad Jammu and Kashmir is not named as a part of Pakistan in Pakistan's current constitution. The only first-order administrative divisions of Pakistan that are named in the constitution are Balochistan, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Punjab, Sindh, and the Islamabad Capital Territory. Atelerixia (talk) 10:19, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done "Informally" signifies that the relationship is informal (rather than, presumably, constitutional). --RegentsPark (comment) 13:18, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 September 2020

In the first sentence of the GOVERNMENT section, change the word "under" to 'notwithstanding" because the constitution is not involved in Pakistan's informal inclusion of Azad Jammu and Kashmir as part of the country. Atelerixia (talk) 02:40, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. That would leave the sentence grammatically nonsensical. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 02:58, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Would it? The sentence would be notwithstanding Pakistan's constitution, the state is informally part of the country. RegentsPark, I don't know anything about the governance of Azad Kashmir, but the existing claim – that under the constitution the territory is informally part of Pakistan – is odd. If the arrangement is informal then it can't be under the constitution, and if it is under the constitution then by definition it can't be informal. – Uanfala (talk) 11:52, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I have no idea either but was reacting to the previous edit request. But, on reviewing, you're right about the contradiction in the text. My first thought is that regions are not usually listed in the constitution of a country (the US, for example, would have needed a lot more amendments to have added all the states it added, bought, annexed, over the last 200 years). But, reading the two citations, it does seem like Azad Kashmir is a special sort of case - nominally independently governed but not actually a nation. Neither sources, however, say anything about Pakistan's constitution so perhaps we should drop the "but under Pakistan's constitution, the state is informally part of the country"? --RegentsPark (comment) 12:56, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that dropping would be best. Atelerixia, what do you think? – Uanfala (talk) 13:13, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

The sentence previously read "Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is a self-governing state under Pakistani control, but under Pakistan's constitution the state is not actually part of the country as the dispute on Azad Kashmir has not yet been resolved. [3]. The last bit is OR, but the rest is factual and can be easily sourced.

Under the UN Security Council Resolution 47 and the UNCIP elaborations, Pakistan was expected to withdraw from the areas it had occupied and these areas were to be administerd by "local authorities". So, theoretically, the Azad Kashmir government is a "local authority" and Pakistan has no role to play in it. The Pakistani constitution has been drafted keeping in mind its international commitments. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 19:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

So, with the OR bit trimmed, it should read as Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is a self-governing state under Pakistani control, but under Pakistan's constitution the state is not actually part of the country? – Uanfala (talk) 20:05, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 September 2020

The map in the History section should be removed, because it's just an older version of the same map that appears at the top of the page on the right side.Atelerixia (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC) Atelerixia (talk) 03:46, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Good point. Should we remove the infobox version or the history version? --RegentsPark (comment) 20:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

The history version is the one that should be removed.Atelerixia (talk) 08:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:48, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

The map in the history section is there to illustrate the locations mentioned it that section. Neither is it important for this map to be "uptodate". In fact, ideally it should be a map from the period that is discussed. Of course, all this matters to people who actually read the Wikipedia, rather than those who look at its pictures. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Recommended revision of the first two sentences of the Government section

The first two sentences of the Government section presently read as follows:

Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is a self-governing state under Pakistani control, but under Pakistan's constitution, the state is informally part of the country. Pakistan is administering the region as a self-governing territory rather than incorporating it in the federation since the UN-mandated ceasefire.

I would recommend that those two sentences be revised to read as follows:

Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) is nominally a self-governing state under Pakistani control. Since the 1949 ceasefire between Indian and Pakistani forces in Kashmir, Pakistan has exercised control over the state but has deliberately refrained from incorporating it into the country.

Atelerixia (talk) 07:18, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

"Pakistani-held Kashmir" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Azad Kashmiris" listed at Redirects for discussion

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Its Pakistan illegally Occupied Kashmir

Pakistani radical tribesmen attacked and annexed some parts of Jammu & Kashmir.Kashmir's ruler before Indian independence,Hari Singh acceded Jammu & Kashmir to India.Azad Kashmir (lit.Free Kashmir) shouldn't it's name.It should be Pakistan administered Kashmir.If Wikipedia shows its name Azad Kashmir,then it will become communal and injustice.Pakistani tribesmen also attacked and annexed a western state,Balochistan and later it leads to Insurgency in Balochistan which aims to create a separate country for Baluchs. ShikaDikaMika (talk) 12:26, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

This comment is misplaced. Azad Jammu & Kashmir is the proper name of a formal administrative entity that exists in the real world. You may consider this entity illegitimate and misnamed, but it doesn't change the fact that there is a government with its administration of an entity named Azad Jammu & Kashmir. Likewise we don't go into arguments whether New York can still be called 'New', whether Greenland is sufficiently 'green' to be called Greenland or whether the Democratic Republic of Congo is genuinely democratic. --Soman (talk) 12:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2020

103.12.198.18 (talk) 12:43, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

False information

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. --TheImaCow (talk) 13:59, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Map of the disputed Kashmir region

Shouldn't the map in the History section be deleted, since it is the same map that is shown at the top of the page? Atelerixia (talk) 07:00, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

"Azad Mirpur" listed at Redirects for discussion

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"Independent Kashmir" listed at Redirects for discussion

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