Talk:Aylo/Archives/2014

Manwin does = MindGeek

I saw the notification at the top of this article, and I figured I'd help clear things up. Manwin changed it's name to MindGeek: http://www.thedomains.com/2013/10/28/manwin-operator-of-youporn-com-renames-itself-to-mindgeek-buys-mindgeeks-on-sedo-for-3500/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.63.100.136 (talk) 18:08, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Concerning the choice of certain words

Hi Trivialist. Thank you for your message and the information. I also appreciate that you thoughtfully reviewed my editing, leaving the changes you believed were appropriate, and removing the ones you believed were not.

I think "adult entertainment" in this context is a weasel word

"A weasel word may be an informal term[1] for equivocating words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim, or even a refutation has been communicated.

The use of weasel words to avoid making an outright assertion is a synonym to tergiversate.

tergiversation: The act of evading any clear course of action or speech, of being deliberately ambiguous

I think the term "adult entertainment" should be changed to sex trade or sex industry. The sex trade consists of businesses which either directly or indirectly provide sex-related products and services. The sex industry is the industry formed of commercial enterprises which employ sex workers. What they offer is called adult entertainment, as it comprises a number of forms of entertainment not considered suitable for children. Therefore, adult entertainment is something offered by the sex industry. By saying that they are an adult entertainment company, they make it seem that the pornography is something offered by the adult entertainment industry. This is the opposite of what it really means. Furthermore, on wikipedia, searching adult entertainment redirects to the page sex industry.

However, if you think that adult entertainment and sex industry refer to different things, I suggest to write it like this: Manwin is a company that sells adult entertainment and that is part of the sex industry.

Concerning replacing the words porn by pornography, porn is considered an informal word for pornography I think that being informal about a term like this is a way to make it look more acceptable. Also, what is the problem with using the formal word?

Thanks Trivialist for your work.

--173.179.223.70 (talk) 18:46, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

References

Source

Parking a source for later use/expansion... http://www.therichest.com/expensive-lifestyle/money/money-in-pornography-one-of-the-most-misunderstood-industries/ --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 07:40, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggested Improvements

I would like to make some more edits to this article when I have time, but I would like to outline some improvements I have thought of.

I am not sure of the relevance of videobash.com and celebs.com in the lead section of the article, since I could not find much information about them pertaining to MindGeek, the reference I found only states "In June, Manwin launched Videobash.com, a Funny or Die knockoff, and in November it rolled out TMZ-like Celebs.com." maybe mention these further down the page.

-I think the History section could be split into sub sections:

"Origins" Outlining the origins of the company.

"Growth Through Acquisitions and Partnerships" Perhaps use a table with something like "Date", "Name of Assets" (e.g. name of site(s) / studios), "Type" (e.g. acquisition, partnership or startup), "Nature" (e.g. web 2.0 video sharing, studio, subscription site etc.), and notes.

-Move lawsuit with ICANN and ICM to it's own section. Cybersquatting suits could also be included in this section e.g. http://www.xbiz.com/news/news_piece.php?id=178072&mi=all&q=mindgeek (there are also other cybersquatting suits).

-New section for "Piracy" e.g. http://business.avn.com/articles/legal/Nightline-Takes-a-Look-at-Porn-Piracy-and-Targets-MindGeek-556480.html and http://business.avn.com/articles/technology/Ventura-Content-and-Manwin-Settle-Copyright-Infringement-Lawsuit-414622.html but MindGeek also participates in the FSC’s Anti-Piracy Action Program (APAP) http://www.xbiz.com/news/126079 and makes a standing contribution to The Adult Content Industry United Foundation http://newswire.xbiz.com/view.php?id=150177

-New section for "Marketing and Philanthropy" seems a strange combination, but there is some crossover.

http://www.businessinsider.com/pornhub-to-attempt-national-ad-campaign-2014-3?IR=T (attempting to advertise on the super bowl, and advertising in Time Square). http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/pornhub-promises-to-plant-one-tree-for-every-100-videos-watched-9300748.html (tree planting promotion) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/04/pornhub-komen-donation-breast-cancer-month_n_1939648.html (breast cancer awareness promotion)

http://business.avn.com/articles/video/Brazzers-Get-Rubber-Campaign-Unveils-Second-PSA-417740.html (safe sex awareness campaign)

MindGeek is a Platinum Sponsor of The Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection (ASACP) since 2011 http://www.asacp.co.uk/index.php?content=news&item=1075,2014-01-06%20ASACP+Announces+Featured+Sponsors+of+the+Month+for+January+2014

Other information that might be relevant:

Donation to "No on Measure B Campaign" http://www.xbiz.com/news/156002

Could include Fabian Thylmann's arrest for not paying taxes (don't know if it is relevant to write much about this an article about MindGeek, since there is an article about Fabian Thylmann already, but might be worth mentioning). Humanlike174 (talk) 01:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

This is all good stuff. My suggestion is to find a similar mainstream business with a well organized article and copy its format and outline. --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 15:18, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

I am in the process of modifying the article, I am updating references, changing some of the content and (hopefully) improving the layout. As part of this I will be removing and attempting to replace (with something similar) the material referenced by TheRichest, namely "MindGeek operate over 73 pornographic websites, including the top 5 pornographic websites on the Internet, and they are reported to be one of the top three consumers of Internet bandwidth in the world." I would like to thank Scalhotrod for providing the link to the TheRichest web page on this talk page as a general source for further research, but the statistics in particular seem to be sensationalist tabloid journalism and not based on facts. The article does not say where the statistics come from, and I have searched the web extensively to try to find reliable sources to back up the statistics, but I have been unable to find any. Humanlike174 (talk) 00:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I re-organised the sections to put the history section first (forgot to add an edit summary to my last edit).Humanlike174 (talk) 03:42, 22 December 2014 (UTC)