Talk:Avedis Zildjian Company/Archives/2012

John Otto

Somebody plez add him as a notable user. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.230.80.214 (talk) 08:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Irrelevant

Zildjian cymbals are by far the best. No other cymbal company can come even remotely close to having the quality that is in each and every cymbal that company produces. As for sabian, those punk losers who think they're cool because they have hand hammered cymbals can go burn in some fictional hell for their blasphemy against the cymbal god! -my kit has two Avedis medium crashes, a K ride and hihats, and an SFX china!

Zildjian's pretty good. But I think Sabian is way better. They have done so much more for the drumming community than Zildjian could have ever done. What's this about fictional hell? Hand hammered cymbals are made for professionals, by the way.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but it seems to me that Ringo Starr used Super Zyn cymbals which were made by Premier.

If you have ever (graphically) looked at the sound waves that a cymbal creates you would understand why people use words like "Crisp, clear, and musical" to describe cymbals. cymbals dont have fundamental and harmonic waves like other instruments so it is imposible to say "high pitched". Instead they say "crisp" or "dark".

Perhaps this explanation will help. "Dark" cymbals are charectirized by longer wavelenght waves. "Crisp" or "penetrating" is ussually the opposite, more on the "high pitch". "Fast decay" means that the cymbal generates sounds audible by humans for a shorter period of time. Slow decay means the cymbal will resonate for longer. Cymbals with "ping" have better stick deffinition, meaning that you can hear when the stick hits the cymbal (this difference is much more relevant when speaking of ride cymbals). "Explosive" cymbals reach "chaotic" vibrations much faster. For example it takes longer to make a "dark" thick cymbal reach its maximum resonance than it takes for an "explosive" thin cymbal of the same diameter with a pair of mallets. If you would like to see what i mean go to either the zildjian website or the sabian website and listen to the sample sounbites.

Historical clear-up

The first sentence could do with a clean up, it sounds as if the first cymbals ever made were made in the 1600s, rather than the first Zildjians. Cymbals have of course been around since ancient times. Otherwise, pretty good.

Is there a discrepancy with the date of the name change? Over on the wiki page for Constantinople it says that the city was renamed Istanbul in 1930, however, this article says the name change happened around 1923. Can anyone clarify? 70.119.170.187 00:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Product line?

I've been looking at the other pages Sabian and Paiste and saw they that they both have a product line. So why doesn't Zildjian have one? --AAA! ^{(talk • contribs)} 09:45, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

They shouldn't have; Wikipedia isn't a catalogue. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected Paiste, but Sabian didn't have such a list in fact. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 17:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Is it the world's largest?

If so, this sentence in the article should be changed: "The Avedis Zildjian Company is the world's largest manufacturer of cymbals, along with Paiste, Meinl and Sabian." It implies there are 4 "world's largest" manufacturers, which can't be true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.202.20.183 (talk) 06:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Could somebody please include an IPA pronunciation of the name in the lead please? I don't think it's obvious (I, for one, have no idea of the correct pronunciation). --Szajd (talk) 21:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

not "oldest family-run business in America"

some hack mag article isn't a good source for such a claim, especially given the errors the mag itself acknowledges. if, as is apparent, the criterion is to be oldest family-run business in america that was begun elsewhere, beretta (established in 1526) is far older, has a strong presence in america (Beretta USA), and has been family run since its inception. 208.54.7.157 (talk) 14:03, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but you should definitely know that Beretta's HQ is Brescia, Italy, not in the USA, in contrast with Zildjian which has replaced its original HQ from Istanbul to Norwell. Drkazmer ^{Just tell me...} 00:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Zildjian were actually confectionery makers in the US before learning to make cymbals just after the great depression. Nobody knows the real truth about that company of how they got started. Nobody was buying anything during the Depression. I have researched this in Istanbul from people who know the full story and how they came about making cymbals. And when they registered the company they said they have been making cymbals since 1623. That's absolute rubbish!! Their mother told them at the time of the great depression that they need to go to Istanbul and learn the art of cymbal making which they did. Once there,they were told that after returning to the USA they must pay a royalty on every cymbal sold, and of course they did not pay any royalty. So the man in Istanbul(maybe Kerope') went to the USA to get payment and was refused. He then decided to cause havoc in the factory and destroy what he could as far as the tooling was concerned, he was arrested and deported back to Istanbul. After that the Zildjians registered the name Zildjian Cymbal Co.((on the Actual application form it must have said how long has your company been in business or something similar, so they dated it from 1623)) That is basically the story of how Zildjian came about. I once brought it up at a Zildjian clinic where Armand was on stage answering questions and he back peddled so fast and changed the subject real quick because he realized that somebody way down in the back woods of Australia new the story. Just think coming to a country on the other side of the world and being asked that question. I got this information from the owners (Mehmet Tamdeger and Agop Tomurcuk) of the Istanbul cymbal company, the original company that Kerope had before closing down in the 1977 after he died. It was re-opened in '80 and was called Zilciler but the name had to be changed because Zildjian claimed it was too close to there name and so was re-named Istanbul Cymbals. All cymbals were hand made the old way, even some of the tooling was the original. After some years, there were some other cymbal companies starting to open- Turkish-Bosphorus- and some others in recent years. All these companies were opened by brother's or cousins of the 2 owners Mehmet(no children) and Agop (2 sons) Did you ever see the raw looking cymbals Sabian made for Jack DeJohnette? direct copies of the Istanbul Turk cymbals. They just had to copy somebody else's idea didn't they!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.170.97.211 (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Pronunciation?

How do you pronounce "Zildjian"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.135.38.226 (talk) 01:06, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Something like this: zɪldʒɑːn (zeeljahn - with short vowels). Drkazmer ^{Just tell me...} 17:58, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Platinum

I am pretty sure that, in the early 90's, I had a few silver-colored A. Zildjian's. Very cool looking, but I don't see them under the "Discontinued Products" section of this article (unless I skimmed by it). Anyone else remember these? 72.226.78.94 (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Never mind - just saw it. Sorry! 72.226.78.94 (talk) 20:08, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Music videos

Should mention that it seems to receive a lot of free advertising in music videos -- only behind Marshall... AnonMoos (talk) 02:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Endorsers of Avedis Zildjian products

I tagged this section for cleanup mainly because it's not in alphabetical order, and also because there are some redlinks that should be removed, and the entries should probably all be checked to make sure they're accurate. I'm not a fan of tagging sections and just walking away, but I'm kind of busy with other things at the moment, so if someone wouldn't mind taking a crack at it, that would be great. Thanks, BMRR (talk) 21:16, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

one of the 320 oldest companies?

while the article says it's one of the 320 oldest companies, in the list of oldest companies it's ranked 374th. --77.181.117.30 (talk) 23:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC)