Talk:Autogram

Terminology

My understanding is as follows: The most general concept in this context is self-referencing sentence. An example would be "This sentence has five words." A subset of these self-referencing sentences are self-enumerating sentences aka autograms, e.g. "This sentence contains five a's ..." A subset of the self-enumerating sentences are reflexicons, which consist of only the count.

If this is correct, then there are two implications:

The sentence "T is the first, fourth, eleventh, sixteenth, ... letter in this sentence, not counting spaces or commas." is self-referencing, but not self-enumerating, and thus does not belong in this article.
The wording "Closely related to autograms are reflexicons" is unfortunate, because reflexicons are autograms. I suggest to change this to something like "reflexicons are a subset of autograms".

--Darkday (talk) 22:58, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reflexicons

This article defines reflexicon as "a self-descriptive word list that describes its own letter frequencies", and states that "according to Sallows, there exist two and only two English reflexicons". However, this site mentions "Sixteen e's, six f's, one g, three h's, nine i's, nine n's, five o's, five r's, sixteen s's, five t's, three u's, four v's, one w, four x's", which does describe its own letter frequencies, and is even shorter than Sallows's reflexicons. So either Sallows was wrong, or his definition of "reflexicon" is different than the definition in this article. --Darkday (talk) 23:47, 28 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication of content

There's some duplication between this page and this section in Pangrams.

Would it be worth combining the two and having a single source of information about this subject?

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Autograms using percentages

The article has an example of an autogram using percentages, but that autogram uses rounded values and is only accurate to one decimal place. Perhaps it is worth mentioning that there are autograms of this type with a higher accuracy, and also one that uses exact percentages and no rounding. See http://autograms.net/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.114.242.115 (talk) 13:44, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]