Talk:Australia women's national soccer team

First match and AFC Appearances

I found in rsssf.com saying that Australia women team join Asian Women's Championship in 1975 at Hong Kong. Any idea? --Manop - TH 08:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes you are correct Manop! We came third. I played in that tournament. Still fighting for official recognition in 2022! Our true story will be published soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.107.169.152 (talk) 03:51, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was move per request. Support here, and see discussion at related request at talk:Australia national football team.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:31, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Australia women's national football (soccer) team → Australia women's national association football team — Per similar request for Australia national football (soccer) team to be moved to Australia national association football team. Current title's not an obvious search title, and I think avoiding parenthesis would be better. Association football is the name for the sport better known as "football" and "soccer", but which are both quite contentious here. YeshuaDavid • Talk • 19:49, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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• Support - per reasoning on the Australia national football (soccer) team requested move. Camw (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

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Request for comment

There is a discussion open about moving Australia national association football team to Australia men's national association football team. The move would include converting Australia national association football team to a disambiguation page that would include a link to this article as well as the men's team article. Contributions to the discussion are much appreciated. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 01:39, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Expand Recent Results and Fixtures section

@Lukeno94: Recent Results and Fixtures have been added already at :

Main articles: 2013–14 in Australian soccer § Women's_senior, and 2014–15 in Australian soccer § Women's_senior

, so I've added links to these articles. i think a better solution to repeating the data in this article. Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:47, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

• Question: why are you specifically pinging me? (The ping didn't work anyway, for some reason). The edit I made was to revert a known vandal who keeps inserting made-up fixtures across various articles, with different IPs. The date and/or opponent changes each time they make the change, Google doesn't verify any of them, and no sources have ever been presented. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 13:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

New fixtures - real ones not speculative ones - now linked in the article and listed here. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:34, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Title of Article

I don't see why its called the womens "soccer" team. 1. The team competes in FIFA events, where the first F is football. 2. The sport is called Football in Australia, where the team if from. 3. The only reason this should be soccer is if Australia has a womens American Football team; which it does not. Please change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.173.78.1 (talk) 23:36, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Non-free use of File:Football Federation Australia logo.svg

The logo being used in the infobox (File:Football Federation Australia logo.svg) is non-free, but is lacking the separate, specific non-free use rationale required by WP:NFCC#10c for use in this article. Non-free images need to satisfy all 10 of the criteria listed in WP:NFCCP for each use of the image, otherwise they are not allowed to be used. If someone feels that a valid non-free use rationale can be written for this article, then please add it to the file's description, and then readd the image. - Marchjuly (talk) 14:26, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

One of the problems with this unilateral campaign of yours is that it disproportionately affects the women's team's articles. They usually don't have as many editors watching. So whereas you're invariably swiftly reverted on the men's articles, the women's articles tend to stay in their defaced state for longer. Målfarlig! (talk) 19:48, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Removing non-free content which does not comply with WP:NFCC is not "defacing" articles; Inappropriately adding non-free content to articles is, on the other hand, problematic due to copyright concerns. WP:NFC is community-wide and applies to all articles in the same way other community-wide policies/guidelines apply to all articles. It's not automatically OK to use non-free content in a certain article simply because someone else has already uploaded the content for use in a different article. Per WP:NFCCE, it's the responsibility of the editor who wishes to use non-free content within a particular article to ensure that it has a valid non-free use rationale for that particular usage. So, if an editor feels a valid non-free use rationale can be provided for this article, then they need to do is add the appropriate non-free use rationale to the file's description. - Marchjuly (talk) 22:04, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

Instead of using the FFA's logo, it might be better to use this logo from the team's official Facebook account or this version from the team's official Twitter account. Unlike the FFA logo, the FB and Twitter one is specific to the women's team so there are no problems at all satisfying No. 17 of WP:NFC#UUI and, other than the text, the only difference between the two is the coloring used for inside the globe. The logo could be uploaded as non-free logo and tagged with {{non-free use rationale logo}}. - Marchjuly (talk) 00:28, 10 September 2015 (UTC)

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2017 Captain

Who is the captain currently ? de Vanna and Polkinghorne 'co-captains' for the Olympics > 6 months ago, but in Algarve cup, squad announcement didnt name a captain, for the first game was Lydia Williams, and for the second Steph Catley.

Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:59, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

It's a good point. I'd leave it blank/unspecified, given:

• no official announcement
• De Vanna and Polkinghorne have both started games but not captained
• Williams and Catley have both started both games but captained once each.

Macosal (talk) 03:19, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Based on what I saw on Twitter, the Matildas have been using a rotating captain policy for the Algarve Cup. --SuperJew (talk) 17:38, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

2018 : still going with the two co-captains at the moment. Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:35, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

@Matilda Maniac: Didn't Elise Kellond-Knight wear the armband on the weekend with both Polkinghorne and De Vanna starting? As said last year I'd leave this blank for now until an official announcement. Macosal (talk) 10:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Annoying typo. This was supposed to read... 2018 : still going with the two co-captains at the moment? Matilda Maniac (talk) 15:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

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"Every Matilda"

@Haydos0019: has started a list of players who presumably have attained at least one appearance for the national team. I would assume that, rather than create this list on this page, that it would require it's own page, such as List of England women's international footballers and List of United States women's international soccer players complete with appropriate references. Do others concur? Clifton9 (talk) 05:54, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Strong Agree. And if there was a choice, I would prefer the English version - which has lots of references, over the American version (which has very few references but ~60 notes on players' maiden names). Matilda Maniac (talk) 06:07, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Strong Agree It is way to much information to include on this page. I think we should take the good stuff from both lists - have it well referenced is important, but there is also merit to noting players' different names (I can think of Melissa Barbieri and Laura Alleway just off the top of my head from recent times). On the flip side I don't think D.O.B. is relevant to include in such a list, and also position I'm on the hedge about as it's not always clear and some players can play multiple positions. We can also draw on List of Australian international association football caps. --SuperJew (talk) 12:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

I'd also suggest not having caps+goals (but rather just date of 1st cap like on Aussie men list) as that makes it easier to keep updated and less chance of mistakes on information which appears in other places. --SuperJew (talk) 12:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Haydos0019: Please reply here and get consensus before continuing these controversial edits. --SuperJew (talk) 12:17, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

@Haydos0019: I have absolutely no problem in you continuing these edits, however do consider that they have a possibility of being removed to a separate article, and perhaps reformatted to something consistent with other Club team or country lists. And I welcome you to join this discussion. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

While we're talking about this, the information should be sourced somehow. --SuperJew (talk) 11:46, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

WHY DID YOU DELETE THE WHOLE THING! @Clifton9: @Matilda Maniac: @SuperJew: I find this extremely disrespectful as I put lots of time into it and you just came along and deleted it. I understand that the information would be suited on its own page, but to delete it and not take action like creating a new page is deplorable. Haydos0019 (talk) 07:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Haydos0019: Listen, Matilda Maniac and myself have pinged you and invited you to discuss this a few times, and you have chosen to ignore discussion. I'm not surprised that seeing this interaction on the talkpage, Clifton9 went ahead and deleted the information, which as said is too much for this page and should be in its own page if at all. I support their decision and would appreciate you discussing such edits, especially after being pinged and invited. --SuperJew (talk) 10:27, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Please look at some equivalent article formats, and create a new article for this information. Matilda Maniac (talk) 10:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Haydos0019:, I even pinged you at the start of the conversation yet at no point did you reply, you just continued with the edit. I understand the effort that goes into these updates and should you follow the suggestions with creating a separate page I'm more than happy to help edit and maintain it. However the responsibility to create the page doesn't fall to me. Clifton9 (talk) 10:51, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome: List of Australia women's international soccer players :) Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 12:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Bring back Daz Sampson: Thank you so much, you do not understand how much I appreciate this. Haydos0019 (talk) 16:38, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

No problem. But I only did a two-minute copy & paste job, you deserve all the credit for putting in the hard yards! Bring back Daz Sampson (talk) 09:03, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Not the first to win 2 confederations.

Quoting, "Australia is a three-time OFC champion, one-time AFC champion and one-time AFF champion, and became the first ever national team to win in two different confederations (before the men's team did the same in 2015 AFC Asian Cup)".

This is not true, the NZ women's team won the Asian Cup in 1975 and OFC in 1983. 91.132.175.138 (talk) 13:30, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Also Chinese Taipei women's team won Asian Cup in 1977 and OFC in 1986, so they weren't even second. 91.132.175.138 (talk) 13:32, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

And this stuff really is meaningless trivia, based entirely on the quirks of the way confederations have been set up over the decades, rather than on the merits of a team. Winning one confederation is good. Winning two proves nothing. HiLo48 (talk) 23:24, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Current captain

Can the person who’s constantly changing the captain to Steph Catley please stop. Steph Catley is vice-captain, not captain. Sam Kerr is captain of the Australian women’s national team even though she’s injured. An injury doesn’t strip her of captaincy. So please, don’t change it any more times because it is quite confusing! 78.82.177.117 (talk) 21:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

It's not at all confusing, although it's baffling that a petty topic like this requires such an argument. If Kerr was only out for a game or two then it would make sense to consider Catley an 'interim' captain for those games. But the reality is that Kerr is out for potentially up to a year, she is not in the squad, she's not in the team camps. So how is she 'captaining' a team? Catley is literally named as captain for each match and wears the captain's armband. That in itself should make it clear enough. There isn't even any solid evidence that Kerr will be captain on her return. Yes, it's likely, but not definite. The match report article on the Matildas website literally states "captain Steph Catley". Further to this, listing Carpenter as "4th captain" is just nonsense. It's not unusual for there to be leadership groups, but where is the reference that confirms she is the 4th captain? Clifton9 (talk) 12:17, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Not at all sure why you’re considering this an argument. Catley has great leadership and what she’s doing right now is her job, to step in when first captain is out, therefore it makes perfect sense for her to keep the title as vice-captain as that is the definition of one. Kerr being out doesn’t necessarily make Catley first captain, it makes her captain, but not first. Until Tony Gustavssson puts out anything regarding the captain matter then Kerr is first captain and Catley interim. And for Carpenter, two people can’t be third captain. That’s what the order of captains are for. If EVE isn’t on pitch then Carpenter accepts the armband, as fourth captain. Take England for example. Whilst their captain was out for nine months she was still listed as captain because that was and is still her title. Same in this case. 78.82.177.117 (talk) 22:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Never in my life have I heard of reference in our soccer teams to first captain, second captain, third captain, and fourth captain. If these concepts exist, and are appropriately referenced, then they can be applied, otherwise they are WP:OR or WP:FANCRUFT. There is no official or unofficial "order of captains" for Wikipedia. Catley is named as captain for the match and wears the captain's armband, so she is Captain. Matilda Maniac (talk) 23:13, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Not trying to sound rude but not everything goes through Wikipedia. The order the captains come in is a common thing that every team has to clear confusion of who’ll be captain if for example the first two are out. 78.82.177.117 (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Never in my life in the real world (as opposed to editing an Encyclopedia) have I heard of reference in our soccer teams to first captain, second captain, third captain, and fourth captain. Wikipedia requires referencing, so please provide a reference to "clear confusion". There are secondary sources to confirm that Catley is currently captain. Matilda Maniac (talk) 02:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

This is an interesting question what we go for. From this piece on Optus it sounds TG confirms that Catley was promoted to captain (What I think is important is ... with Sam injured and Steph [Catley] promoted to captain, what we did is that we elevated two vice-captains because we knew it was very uncertain whether Sam was going to be with us in the Olympics.). On the other hand many media sources still refer to Sam Kerr as the Matildas captain (from the past few days: West Australian, ABC News, also ABC News, Sydney Morning Herald, 9News). --SuperJew (talk) 04:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)