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Differences between fairytale and film

I removed this section because 1) it is completely uncited, 2) if it were cited, it should go in to the film article, and 3) it is a list of miscellaneous information. Cactusjump (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Princess aurora should be Ukrainian or Russian al.Le its origins are obvious as the story originates from the French perrault but the classic work was written by Russian composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, and the setting is undoubtedly a landscape of Eastern Europe

Inconsistent Creator Credits

On this article under the photo of Aurora, the Brothers Grimm are given credit for creating this character. If one looks at the articles, though, for both Sleeping Beauty and the 1959 film by Disney, Charles Perrault is credited. Perrault's narrative is outlined in the first article and is used as a reference point for the other variants. It even states that the Brothers Grimm almost did not include the story in their collection (they did so in consideration of the existence of Brynhild). Perrault is acknowledged as the original fairy tale writer in the credits for the film by Disney, including a statement that Disney used Perrault and Tchaikovsky's symphony to create the film. The only possible reason that the Brothers Grimm are considered to be the creators is in the first article where it states the Brothers Grimm story was called Briar Rose. Perrault, though, used the name Aurora for the daughter of Sleeping Beauty. Disney chose to use both names for the character in the film. If there are other articles in Wikipedia that credit Charles Perrault's involvement in this character, then he needs at least to be added as a creator on this article in addition to the Brothers Grimm if not made the only creator. Fiery Autumn (talk) 23:07, 3 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cinderella and Aurora photos

Now that Cinderella is being shown in her original dress colors here on Wikipedia I think Aurora should be shown in the colors she was advertised in. On her page at Disney wikia, she is wearing a blue dress. That was the color of the dress she had for most of her original film and it's even the color of her dress in the Kingdom Hearts series. She was also originally advertised wearing blue. Look at these VHS tapes. [1] [2] Plus, there are these theatrical release posters. [3] [4] She also used to wear it in Disney parks. Heck at the El Capitan Theatre in 2008, she is even advertised wearing blue in the marquee. [5] If we are instead going to base it on the colors, they are being advertised in now, then Cinderella's dress should not be silvery white if Aurora's is pink. Sb1990 (talk) 18:22, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I visited Aurora's photo page and I noticed the drama that was going on. I saw the drama that was happening and you have very good points. A few months ago, Disney's official fan club, D23, even did a poll and they voted that the dress should actually be blue.^[1] So, I do believe that we should show her in her blue dress. Irishlady85 (talk) 18:42, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Are You Team Pink or Team Blue?

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Aurora (Disney character)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Zanimum (talk · contribs) 22:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I'll start to review this tonight, and try and post tomorrow. I'm the one who reviewed Belle (2012), reviewed Rapunzel (2013), and reviewed Mulan (2014). (I'm amazed these were so long ago.) -- Zanimum (talk) 22:04, 19 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pleasure to be collaborating with you again, and I look forward to your comments :-)--Changedforbetter (talk) 01:33, 20 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

So, I've been working on cleaning up references, and replacing some references with less derivative sources. For now, here are some comments for the "Miscellaneous" section:

Miscellaneous

All of these seem to be video games. As such, the name seems a little errant. I'd suggest either renaming the section, or adding info about other uses of the character.
You talk about theme parks in other articles, what about Sleeping Beauty Castle? (The character is only referenced in Le Château de la Belle au Bois Dormant, whereas she's in the dioramas at California and Paris.)
What about Whisker Haven and the Palace Pets app and the character Dreamy?
Kilala Princess shouldn't be talked about at any length, but it might deserve a sentence.
Is there any way to add references for the video games?

More later. -- Zanimum (talk) 18:04, 25 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In a 1997 interview with The Globe and Mail, Costa is listed as being paid $250 a week, not $100 a day. I can't find any reliable sources backing up the $100 claim. Can you find where TheRichest would have sourced this to? (I've added the same G&M article for another citation.) -- Zanimum (talk) 21:48, 3 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@ZanimumConcerns addressed. Edited and sourced video games paragraph in "Miscellaneous", as well as expanded section to include some of Aurora's popular sightings at the Disney Parks.--Changedforbetter (talk) 23:49, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Simply replaced TheRichest reference with the more reliable one you provided :-)--Changedforbetter (talk) 23:52, 9 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Review abandoned

As has unfortunately been the case with several recent reviews by Zanimum, this review has been left untouched for too long—basically abandoned—even though Zanimum was warned on his or her talk page at the outset that this practice was not acceptable and would not be allowed to continue. Changedforbetter has requested that another reviewer be found, so the nomination has been returned to the GAN pool to find a different reviewer. BlueMoonset (talk) 16:32, 29 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Adamstom.97 (talk · contribs) 11:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Grabbing this for review, shortly. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:41, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I see that this article was reviewed once before, but it didn't go anywhere due to lack of involvement on the reviewers part. I intend to see this through, and, in fact, I think this is a pretty great article. My only major issue with it is the references; all web references should be archived, so that they can be used whether the source exists or not. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:35, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, it looks like that has been addressed, so I'm going to go ahead and promote this now. Well done. Passed - adamstom97 (talk) 23:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Haha well this has been just about the easiest GA I've ever taken part in. Thanks!--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:48, 27 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

About the Main Image

For the record, I prefer seeing Aurora in her dress being pink rather than blue.Esagurton (talk) 08:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 22 April 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Consensus to move to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 17:57, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aurora (Disney) → Sleeping Beauty (Disney character) – This is the name most people know the character by. Because "Sleeping Beauty (Disney) can equally mean the film; it's not a strong enough dis-ambiguator. Georgia guy (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2021 (UTC) Georgia guy (talk) 13:22, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - There are plenty of sources that use the name Aurora in the name. Interstellarity (talk) 15:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also support moving the title to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). Interstellarity (talk) 14:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Princess Aurora is the credited name of the character in the film, not Sleeping Beauty. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:19, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I also oppose moving the title to usurp the redirect Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). The current title is fine as is. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:48, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Slepping Beauty is the name of the film, not about a Disney princess, which is named Princess Aurora. There is a case where the title of the film is different from the characters, for example The Little Mermaid, which is the title of the film, not a disney princess name, or Frozen, which also not a Disney princess either but Anna and Elsa are a princess. 36.77.95.2 (talk) 16:39, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I wish you could get a Wikipedia user name; please note that in the case of TLM Ariel is the name everyone knows as the name of the character; no one knows her as a nameless little mermaid. Georgia guy (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
oppose Got any evidence that 'sleeping beauty' is her WP:COMMONNAME?—blindlynx (talk) 18:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). Changing the disambiguator to the movie title would help improve WP:RECOGNIZABILITY and would be WP:CONSISTENT with similar article titles of main characters whose name differs from their movie title, such as Ariel (The Little Mermaid), Belle (Beauty and the Beast), Rapunzel (Tangled) and Merida (Brave). Rreagan007 (talk) 00:51, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support this proposal, good catch—blindlynx (talk) 01:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose this proposal to usurp an existing redirect on a different topic. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:50, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The character is not once referred to as "Sleeping Beauty" in the context of her film and, especially nowadays, is almost exclusively called "Aurora". "Sleeping Beauty" is almost like a nickname for the character, similar to referring to Ariel as "The Little Mermaid".--Changedforbetter (talk) 03:06, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per argument above because in most films, the character name is not same as the film's name. If the article needs to be moved, i would Support moved to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) per Rreagan007, for example Anna (Frozen) and Elsa (Frozen), when either has named as just "Frozen". 182.1.54.181 (talk) 07:01, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per above but support move to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). Pamzeis (talk) 09:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, but support Aurora (Sleeping Beauty).Egsan Bacon (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Moved to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). The Rreagan007's proposal is an compromise between those who support and oppose the Georgia guy's title proposal. All arguments above is accepted for me. 116.206.35.19 (talk) 21:15, 23 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose changing to Aurora (Sleeping Beauty). Sleeping Beauty is the name of the classic fairy tale, not just Disney's version of it. Aurora is a character in some variations of that fairy tale. It is a character in the similarly named The Sleeping Beauty ballet by Tchaikovsky. Redirect at that location already points to information about that character, which is not just a Disney character, in the Sleeping Beauty article. It should remain that way. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also the main characters of the Disney version of other notable fairy tales such as Cinderella and Snow White are Cinderella (Disney character) and Snow White (Disney character). If there is any change this article could be moved to Aurora (Disney character), a redirect that point to this article currently - so a swap, to be consistent. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:19, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Procedural comment we should stick with discussing the original move proposal. I object to discussing alternatives. They should have a separate move proposal if that is desired, no interleaved in something else. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:11, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It is common and encouraged to propose and discuss alternative titles in the same move request. Per WP:REQUESTED MOVES: "Do not create a new move request when one is already open on the same talk page. Instead, consider contributing to the open discussion if you would like to propose another alternative." Rreagan007 (talk) 23:28, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

More to the issue, I object to discussions here about overwriting and usurping an existing redirect on a different topic than this one without involvement of editors of that other topic. That existing redirect points to a section of Sleeping Beauty an article about the fairy tale, not to this article and not to Sleeping Beauty (1959 film) the topic this character belongs to. I'd have much less of a problem if the alternatives were to a new unused location or about replacing an existing redirect that points to this article. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:40, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Geraldo Perez, all of this discussions "almost certainly" reach consensus against the original move, but some users offered an alternative move to the current name, which i see is not problem unless it proof elsewhere. If you still disagree about the rule in requested move, you can discuss it in the Requested move talk page. In that page, any users can express his/her opinion about the current RM rules like you itself. 182.1.9.31 (talk) 11:25, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is reaching a consensus to delete an existing redirect on some other topic and move the contents of this article to that freed-up location. At the very least consensus to delete that redirect should happen at WP:RFD, not indirectly by a move discussion on an unrelated topic. Normally moves go to empty locations or are swaps with a related redirect. Not the case here. Geraldo Perez (talk) 14:47, 27 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Requested move 29 April 2021

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The result of the move request was: There's a consensus against this move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 21:00, 6 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) → Aurora (Disney character) – The move to this location overwrote an unrelated redirect to a section in the primary topic Sleeping Beauty (redirect was to Sleeping Beauty § Variations), an article about the fairy tale, not the Disney film. Aurora is a character in various versions of the fairytale as well as being a Disney film character. Other fairy tale characters that Disney has used in films such as Cinderella (Disney character) and Snow White (Disney character) are named in a similar manner to prevent confusion with the fairy tale character of the same name. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:00, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: Aurora (Disney) is a redirect and so is ineligible to be a current title in a move request. This proposal has been altered to reflect that fact. P.I. Ellsworth ed. ^put'r there 13:44, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Also the previous move, which I objected to in my statements there, left behind a bit of a mess to be cleaned up, still work in progress, as well as deleting a valid useful redirect on a different topic. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:15, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Anna (Frozen), Ariel (The Little Mermaid), Elsa (Frozen) and Belle (Beauty and the Beast) as precedent. If you don't believe that convention, why you not moved these titles to xxxx (Disney character)?. 36.77.94.72 (talk) 20:39, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That is because either the character name was unique to the Disney version, such as for Ariel and Belle. Or there was no existing primary topic fairy tale such as for the Frozen characters. Not the the case with this topic. Both the fairy tale exists and the character Aurora is a character in it, not just the Disney version of it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 20:53, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I neither support or oppose on this proposal, but i have more reasonable argument about it. Aurora (Disney) already redirects to this article, whenever it named Aurora (Disney character) or Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) in similar place as Ariel (Disney) redirected to Ariel (The Little Mermaid) or Ariel (Disney character), but there are countless of examples that i see have xxxx (Disney character) despite either the character name was unique to the Disney version for example Tiana (Disney character) or Jasmine (Disney character) where it should be redirect to Tiana (The Princess and the Frog) or Jasmine (Aladdin) because their name are different in original publications (Elma and Badrolbadour respectively) and only appear in Disney version. I think that there are no consensus regarding the actual name of the princess, as long as they remain under Disney properties. 116.206.35.28 (talk) 21:18, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In general I'd prefer all Disney characters be named xxxx (Disney character) as they are used in more Disney properties than just the original film and the articles themselves cover much more than just their characterization in the original film. Naming a character article after the film they are in when disambiguation is needed is fine if there is only that one film, it is more of an issue if that character is used in may films and a franchise by a company. When the film name isn't primary topic for a title, such as in this case, it is even more ambiguous as to ownership of the character. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - While the character has appeared in other works and contexts, much like the other characters mentioned above by 36.77.94.72, those appearances are on the level of cameos/references to the main appearance in Sleeping Beauty. As such, per WP:NCFILM#Character articles, the disambiguation should be the name of the primary work. -- Netoholic @ 23:03, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This character also appears as a main character in Maleficent (film) and Maleficent: Mistress of Evil. Per WP:NCFILM#Character articles if the character appears in many different film titles, use Character name (character). (Disney character) is a better disambiguation as same named character appears in the The Sleeping Beauty (ballet), the basis for the music in the original film. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:48, 29 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Those appearances are a very small portion of the content in this article, and I just don't think it meets the threshold. Arguably, the Maleficent version is a different character based on different plot circumstances. Its really a stretch. -- Netoholic @ 00:25, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per above. "(Sleeping Beauty)" could also refer to Sleeping Beauty (franchise) which the Maleficent films are part of. Pamzeis (talk) 00:54, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
True, and that fits fine with WP:NCFILM#Character articles which says you can use the film title -or- franchise name as the disambiguator. -- Netoholic @ 09:29, 30 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per others. Interstellarity (talk) 13:46, 3 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

[1] Are You Team Pink or Team Blue?

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