Talk:Augustus Harris

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Two Augustus Harrises

This site lists Harris, Augustus, Sir, [1851-1896], dramatist, and Harris, Augustus Glossop, Mr., 1825-1873, theatre manager. This site lists HARRIS, Augustus Glossop (1825-1873)B Theatre Manager ? HARRIS, Sir Augustus Henry G. (1852-1896)B Theatre Manager & Sheriff 8 13’ 3” x 5’ as both buried in the same cemetery (Brompton); might they have been related? Findagrave lists Harris, Augustus Glossop b. Jun. 5, 1825 d. Apr. 19, 1873 as buried in Brompton Cemetery. Harris, Augustus Glossop b. June 5, 1825 d. April 19, 1873 Theatrical Producer. Born to a theatrical family, became a leading manager of opera and ballet, notably at Covent Garden, London, but also in Paris, Berlin and St. Petersburg (Bio by: David Conway) Brompton Cemetery, London, England

So the author of those early plays (c. 1862) must be Mr. (not "Sir") Augustus Glossop Harris (1825-1873), who may deserve his own article.--BillFlis 13:56, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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List of plays

When doing the recent revision and expansion I removed a list of plays written or co-written by Harris, because it lacked any citations. Nevertheless it seems to me the potential basis of a worthwhile section of the article, and I am working on a properly sourced version which I'll add in due course. Tim riley talk 10:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And now done. Tim riley talk 11:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Dudley

Perhaps mention his knighthood in the lead.
I think you should explain why he had a different surname to his paternal grandfather, if only in a note.
Malcolm could be linked to Malcolm (Macbeth).
"one reviewer wrote that the management could not possibly have a better stage-manager than Harris". The reviewer wrote "Wyndham" rather than "the management", which seems better.
You say that he took over Covent Garden because there was only room for one opera house and staged operas there. Presumably he stopped staging them at Drury Lane, but this should be clarified.
I think that the comment that he did not stage operas in English should be in the main text - and maybe worth a comment. Prejudice then and now that English an inferior language for opera?
"though more than thirty years his senior". Disgraceful ageism!
"who had just recovered from a serious illness". What serious illness? You do not mention one before the one that ended in his death.
A first rate article, although a bit thin on his non-theatrical activities. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:18, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Dudley, thank you so much for these comments, which I'll greatly enjoy working through. Very best wishes, and looking forward to another coven meeting once normality resumes in some form. Tim riley talk 15:28, 21 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Mother of Sir Augustus Henry Glossop Harris (1852-1896)

The current page says Harris's mother was a costumier under the name of "Madame Alias." Funny as that is, it's almost certainly wrong. In fact his mother appears to have been the very famous producer of costumes "Madame Auguste." This obviously makes more sense, given the fact that she was, in reality, a "Madame Auguste." But further, two sources confirm her identity. The Liverpool Echo of 02 Aug 1892, Page 3, reports the death of Mrs. Harris, identifying her as Madame August. Also, a later memoir, Jimmy Glover, His Book, By Jimmy Glover, 1911, pg 105, identifies Madame Auguste as the mother of Augustus Harris.

Finally, The Era, 17 Apr 1897, Page 11 reports the death of the costumer Madame Alias. Originally known as "Miss Price," wife of Charles Alias. (Can't make this stuff up!)

See also The Life and Reminiscences of E. L. Blanchard Volume 2, By Edward L. Blanchard, Drinkwater Meadows, 1891, page 424. Mikado2005 (talk) 23:34, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mikado2005, thanks for this. I made a change based on your information above. Please check (including name and maiden name) to see if I've got it correct, now. Do I need to cite Blanchard, also, or do Glover and the Echo state all these facts about his mother? In your heading above you give her dates(?), but you say she died in 1896. However, The Echo reports her death in 1892. Can you please clarify? -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:01, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is Greg Anderson, and I've been researching Madame Auguste for our edition of The Rose of Persia. I'd say Glover and Echo are fine. Those dates I have in my heading are for Sir Augustus. Maries' dates are:

Birth: 1825, 31 DEC 1826 • St Mary, Lambeth, London, Middlesex, England

Married: 17 Feb 1846, St Mary, Lambeth, London, Middlesex, England

Death: 29 JUL 1892 • Strand, London, Middlesex, England

Those are from Ancestry.com, and they match press sources. Mikado2005 (talk) 01:45, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Also btw, Madame Auguste costumed:

1881: Patience (that's the earliest G&S program I find her in)

1882: Iolanthe

1884: Princess Ida

1885: She made the Japanese dresses for Mikado

1887: Ruddigore

1892: Haddon Hall

1893: Utopia

1895: The Chieftain

1896: Grand Duke

1899: 2nd Pinafore revival, Rose of Persia

1901: The Emerald Isle

Among many others. Note that she's credited after her death! Her daughter continued the business. Mikado2005 (talk) 01:48, 4 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]