Talk:Attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua

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On 10 April 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from History of the Nicaragua Canal to Attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua. The result of the discussion was moved to Attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua.

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Model built

The BBC Antiques Roadshow had a participant bringing in a model of the Nicaraguan landscape in a wooden case. A British businessman had this made to support his pitch to possible investors. I forgot how old it was. The person assessing it was Hilary Kay. 2001:8003:A070:7F00:E5D8:FD36:1A1B:78F1 (talk) 22:21, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved History of the Nicaragua Canal to Attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua, Nicaragua Canal to Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project. Per WP:NOTCURRENTTITLE: "anyone who objects to the closer's decision may make another move request at any time, and is advised to create such a request instead of taking the closure to move review" (non-admin closure) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 05:59, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Nicaragua Canal → Nicaragua Canal
Nicaragua Canal → ?

– As the opening sentence of this article puts it, "there is a long history of attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua to connect the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean", from as early as the 1500s to the most recent and hence most notable one in the 2010s. Currently, the general article is at "History of" and the specific one about the 2010s project at "Nicaragua Canal". Each has a section summarizing the other, Nicaragua Canal § History and History of the Nicaragua Canal § HKND project (2010–present), with {{main}} hatnote crosslinks.

This likely made sense when said project was active and there was reason to expect it to result in an actual canal, which would obviously have been vastly more notable than any mere plan to build one. But by the end of that decade, the project had been essentially abandoned, and I don't think it makes sense any longer.

"Nicaragua Canal" has about 200 incoming article links ([1]), of which I surveyed the first 20. The result is pretty much an even split between links that should indeed go to the 2010s project, and links that should go to the general page, or in some cases ideally one of its sections about earlier specific projects.

But it's more confusing to follow a link to an article that's about the wrong specific thing than to an article that's too general, especially when that specific article has an unspecific title. So a switch would clarify the situation, IMO.

The most obvious choice for a new title for the specific article is "Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project", per its opening sentence - though something that includes a date, as the "HKND project (2010–present)" section title does, might be more informative, so I left that open.

- 2A02:560:58C3:0:B0B9:6993:EC37:F849 (talk) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Would it make sense to merge the two articles to Nicaragua Canal? No opinion yet, but wanted to make sure you know it is an option. If you go in that direction, there's templates available for proposing a merge: ({{Merge from}}, {{Merge to}}). –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:40, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The historical article is only about two thirds as long as the 2010s one, so unless the latter gets some significant pruning first, the pair of articles with their mutual summaries works better than a merged one would, to my way of thinking. I guess it's possible that such pruning would be in order anyway, due to the inevitable and ongoing decline in notability of the now-abandoned project... *shrug*

- (OP) 2A02:560:58C3:0:EDE8:7876:C892:D12E (talk) 06:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support move to Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project, there's no canal.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:50, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support move of Nicaragua Canal to Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project. I do think History of the Nicaragua Canal should also be moved. The use of the definite article and the capitalization of "Canal" implies the topic of the article is the history of one specific waterway in Nicaragua, which is not the case. I would favour a descriptive title, perhaps along the lines of the wording of the article's initial sentence. Something like Attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua, or History of Nicaraguan canal projects, or Nicaraguan canal proposals. Colin M (talk) 19:04, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, looking at the phrasings used in articles that link to the current Nicaragua Canal article but really refer to the historical article, various forms of "propose" show up a lot, which may make it a good choice for the title too:

The Clayton–Bulwer Treaty is signed by the United States and Great Britain, allowing both countries to share Nicaragua, and not claim complete control over the proposed Nicaragua Canal.

A proposal for the Nicaragua Canal, from around 1870.

Back in Washington attending with the US Navy, in November 1887 Peary was ordered to survey likely routes for a proposed Nicaragua Canal.

- (OP) 2A02:560:59A1:EF00:AC0F:AB5F:5A7F:AC14 (talk) 16:40, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.