Talk:Attack on Mocha

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Proposed merge of Sefer Reis with Attack on Mocha

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Agree to merging of article(s). There is nothing wrong with the merging of perma-stub articles, even if they do pass GNG. In fact, we do our readers a disservice in not merging these types of articles. If any sub-section gets so largely expanded in the future that a split will be needed, I trust that will happen at that time. Non-Administrative closure-- GenQuest ^"scribble" 18:00, 18 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

No point in having several stubs when it is easier for researchers if they are all contained in a reasonable length article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:20, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose merge - Same reason as per other related articles proposed to be merged: User Wareno proposed a merge due to notability yet the article meets the criteria set in WP:GNG. Moreover, the article is a separate relevant battle related to an ongoing conflict between the Portuguese and the Ottomans in the Red Sea, cherrypicking which articles should be merged is ridiculous. Also the user Wareno who began merging these articles (without discussion) nominated them for deletion, despite the result being keep he continued to merge the articles without discussion, clearly POV pushing and WP:JDLI. Regards, Kabz15 (talk)
Support. Does not meet WP:GNG. The user who created this page just likes dedicating articles to extremely trivial events, does not seem aware that Wikipedia allows users to take the initiative to merge pages, and does not respect consensus after the merge had been performed twice by two different users. Wareno (talk) 15:52, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, cited sources describe a battle at Mocha only in the broader context of the biography of Sefer Reis. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 01:56, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The two articles are complimentary. Sefer Reis#Defence of Mocha can have a hatnote pointing to Attack on Mocha, which goes into more detail. Neither article is a stub. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 02:57, 5 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A better merge target would be an article on the Portuguese in the Red Sea. We don't have such an article yet, but Andreu Martínez d'Alòs-Moner's article "Conquistadores, Mercenaries, and Missionaries: The Failed Portuguese Dominion of the Red Sea" offers an accessible place to start. (I would love to write it, but my to-do list is long...) Srnec (talk) 00:00, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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