Talk:Atsuhiro Osuka

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Notes from Tribe of Tiger

This journal dedicated a special issue to him, in honor of his 65th birthday, and formal retirement from Kyoto University. If you like, I can summarize the information, and you can fill in the scientic parts, if needed. The article makes good summarizing points. Research was originally strong in Germany and Switzerland, and then the UK and US. But, for the last twenty years, Japan has been at the forefront, and seems to owe some of this to Prof. Osuka. And there is more, as you can see.^[1]

If this is an important journal, then having a issue dedicated to him is an honor, of course.

Here is something else I found. Does this help? http://www.csj.jp/csj-en/membership/awards/achieve/2009-osuka.html

Reply

Hats off to you Tribe of Tiger, I have already seen the article but I felt, if we add this content, it wont support the wiki writing style. Because here its praising him a lot. Actually in my mind as chemist, I have a lot of respect and admiration to him (because his contribution is really huge towards porphyrin chemistry and the concept of aromaticity and antiaromaticity). So while writing I was maximum trying not include any such words, wiki editors warned me for such writing style, as per them we have to write the article 100% neutral and the reader have to admire the persons after reading like that they used to correct me. So definitely you can give keep contributing content here, the remaining scientific portion we can keep later. I hope mean while the editors will be accepting the content as a start class one. Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 17:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You are right to be cautious, regarding the praise. I am having difficulty, just now, trying to explain why I firmly believe that I/we can include this particular journal article. So, perhaps I can show by example. I will write a section to include in your article, by doing it "the right way". ~~And here in the talkpage, I will make an example of "the wrong way", so you can see the difference.~~ Even though English WP is not a "country" it has its own "culture", which takes some time to understand. Even people who speak English as their native language, have to learn this new culture. I think that, over a period of time, as you have the opportunity to read several biographical articles, you will have a better understanding. That is how I learned, by studing good examples!

If you have additional sources that talk about him, and praise his contributions to science, it is Very Important to include them, to prove his notability. You, as a scientist, understand the importance of his work, of course. But, for other readers, they can only see that he has "published papers", etc. about some strange sort of science. The reader, (me, for example), has no way of knowing how important his contributions have been, unless you provide reliable sources WP:RS that say that he is important. This is why, after a bit of thinking while writing to you, that I have realized the true importance of the journal article: His notability is comfirmed by his scientific peers, in a major journal, devoted to his type of research. This is proof of notability. Does this help you? Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:42, 28 August 2020 (UTC)~[reply]

Sorry, I type so slowly, I will not try to post a "bad example" right now. :-( Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

First I wanted to correct you Tribe of Tiger, I am only a science student. I am sure it is really hard to make understand the public about the importance of the science he told especially the Möbius aromatic models and all. I think soon this chemistry will come to school text book levels. The impact of his journal papers (ex: nature, science etc.) will say the quality and importance of the work. Even you type slowly, you have a powerful language.

References

^ Torres, Tomás; Sessler, Jonathan L.; Kim, Dongho; Furuta, Hiroyuki (January 1, 2020). "Preface — Special Issue in Honor of Professor Atsuhiro Osuka". Journal of Porphyrins and Phthalocyanines. 24 (01n03): i. doi:10.1142/S1088424620020010 – via worldscientific.com (Atypon).

Ideas

Rahulsoman Perhaps you consider yourself to be "merely" a science student, but you have a PhD. My only "advantage" is that I was born in a country where English is the predominant language. Now, at this point, I do not think that there will be any problems, in regards to this article being accepted, as Osuka's notability is proved by the issue of JPP, etc. etc. Even after the article is accepted, editors can continue to make improvements. I do agree that it will difficult to help the public understand, but if you are willing, we can try! Speaking as a "reader" of WP, it would be a good thing to provide some explanation of:

1. What purpose does this type of research serve?
2. Why is it important from the standpoint of everyday, normal people?
3. I will think of other questions...

I will try to read and understand some of this science, as reported here on WP. We can work together. You have the scientific knowledge and understanding, and I can write, more easily, in English. Then we could add a few sentences to make the importance of Osuka's work known to our WP readers.Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:11, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Journal of Porphyrins and Phthalocyanines

Well, I have posted this in the article, my first effort at summarizing the foreword that was written to introduce the special issue. We need to see if any of the people mentioned, (by JPP) as having been influenced by him, have articles here on WP, which is why I posted a note in brackets [ ]. Please edit if needed. Over time, as I think about the information, I may make some changes to improve. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:50, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hi Tribe of Tiger, I searched in his page, I found many important chemists who have huge contributions but I could not find any of his student alumini have a wiki page. So I just edited and added T. K. Chandrashekar and J. Sessler names both of them working in same field and contributed papers in JPP special issue printed in the ocation of his birthday. Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 11:58, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rahulsoman Wonderful! Very good addition! I am so happy that you thought to look at the list of contributors, as that had not occurred to me. You are great!Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 22:04, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

^{Let's Purrfect!} Oh really too much... Thank you so much Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 22:30, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Notes per tables in sections

On WP, we do not usually present a person's education or awards in tables. You have done a wonderful job of making the tables, they are very good, but not the accepted way for this type of information. I can write the Education section in English prose, if you want me to do so. Then, I suggest you convert the Awards section to a bulleted list. I am happy to help here, also.Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:14, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have done some thing please if any further edits needed please do. Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 12:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Osuka

improve data by including the references

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180514091509.htm

https://www.chemistryworld.com/news/first-four-twist-aromatic-molecule-made/3009648.article

WP:ACADEMIC WP:PROF

Comments received as per request from DGG

Comment: I was asked to comment. He is highly notable , and the festschrift proves it.. But the draft needs to be reorganized as follows:
1, combine the recognition section at the end with awards, but remove minor awards, such as the junior and early career awards. Its the major later ones that show importance.
2, list his education in a paragraph not a table. Include a reference for it. His official university CV is a sufficiently reliable source for the purpose.
2A. Add a setence about where he was born andwho his parent were.
3, List his most cited paper si full bibliographic format (google Scholar is the siplest way) with the number of citations
4. It will be reviewed in due course--there is no actual sequence in whic hdrafts get reviewsd. it
2, DGG ( talk ) 01:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I was asked to comment. He is highly notable, and the festschrift proves it.. But the draft needs to be reorganized as follows:
1, combine the recognition section at the end with awards, but remove minor awards, such as the junior and early career awards. It's the major later ones that show importance.
2, list his education in a paragraph not a table. Include a reference for it. His official university CV is a sufficiently reliable source for the purpose.
2A. Add a sentence about where he was born and who his parenat were.
3, List his most cited papers in full bibliographic format (google Scholar is the simplest way) with the number of citations
4. It will be reviewed in due course--there is no actual sequence in which drafts get reviewsd. it
2, DGG ( talk ) 01:05, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rahul Soman^{talk - contribs} 11:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

1, removed minor awards, merged recognition session with wards.

2, wrote education as para removed table and added cv and other references.

2a, no info about parents, remaining its done

3, I could not find his google scholar page, it can be updated later.

thank you sir Rahulsoman^{talk - contribs} 12:10, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Google Scholar, table provided by User:Richard Nevell

After asking for help at the Teahouse, User:Richard Nevell was kind enough to produce this lovely table, which displays Osuka's highest cited publications,per Google Scholar, in properly cited WP format. RN's table has been copied to the article. I am so grateful for his assistance. Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:16, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifications

@AlanM1: thanks for your work here. I have rearranged the section regarding the issue of JPP. If you have time, pls look, as I have tried to address your "clarification needed" tag. Hope the change resolves the issue. Will address Nature paper in Ext Links, soon. Thanks! Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 02:02, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Torres, Tomás; Sessler, Jonathan L.; Kim, Dongho; Furuta, Hiroyuki (January 1, 2020). "Preface — Special Issue in Honor of Professor Atsuhiro Osuka". Journal of Porphyrins and Phthalocyanines. 24 (01n03): i. doi:10.1142/S1088424620020010 – via worldscientific.com (Atypon).

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