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Additional citations

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Why and where does this article need additional citations for verification? What references does it need and how should they be added? Hyacinth (talk) 23:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nonsensical List

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The list of "organizations" that have residency programs needs significant attention. Many entries are just links to cities (some of the cities are sort of known as "artsy," some of the cities are not, but none of these links are to residency programs or evidence of them). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.147.246 (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed -- answering question of Hyacinth: what we need is not just a citation that they have one, but that it's notable. Lots of A-i-R programs are not notable (every college has several, etc.). I'm removing ones that are redlinks or external links as potentially promotional. -- Michael Scott Cuthbert (talk) 16:07, 11 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Nonsensical list again

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I propose that we delete this list completely. It serves no useful purpose except to attract trivia [and then to upset newbies when their contributions are deleted immediately as 'not notable']. It seems to me that this is exactly the sort of case that the WP:NOTDIRECTORY policy was aimed at. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:11, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Since there has been no objection to this proposal [or the previous one] in over a year, I will now delete the list. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Organist in residence v resident organist

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I want to question the this edit by Hyacinth, who added the idea that 'organist in residence' can also mean 'resident organist' and added a similar meaning for other types of resident artist. Neither of these have citations but I think they merit discussion before reverting.

To my mind, an "artist in residence" is not a long-term employee [whatever the contract details, could be a pillar of the community who has volunteered since for ever], but rather a visiting artist who is awarded a stipend and possibly accommodation, much in the way a rich patron might do. The artist may be expected to teach or perform for the sponsoring organisation but not exclusively or extensively, certainly not full-time. Their primary role is to inspire, to bring new ideas and hopefully to take away a favourable impression of the host community. The arrangement rarely lasts longer than 12 months per artist. I really don't see that the "resident organist" matches this description.

Comments? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:17, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

"Feminist Art Residency" and "Family Art Residency": Discussion

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Per wp:BRD, I reverted Ztkirby's addition of material under these headings. It appears to me that these are (very) specific examples of the Artist in Residence principle. Almost all Residencies are associated with some program[me] and it seems to me that it is neither practical nor desirable to list each program individually. It is not obvious that these two programs are so particularly notable that they should have explicit coverage but no other programs have such coverage. There is also a serious risk of drifting into wp:advocacy.

I suggest that it is not useful to get into the merits of these specific examples but rather that we should discuss whether or not specific programs should be included. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:13, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The addition was not about the specific programs, as there are many other examples too but rather to support the knowledge that artist in residence principles include family and online artist in residence as distinct types such as the composer and comic types included on the page. ChutneyPower (talk) 18:20, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it would be reasonable to add another art form and residency thereof to the lead section. What I'm struggling with is to see how the residency of a family of artists makes a qualitative rather than quantitative difference. Surely that choice is programmatic rather than fundamental?
I don't want to be obstructive here. The issue is how to reflect it satisfactorily. I wonder if it might work to have a new section on types or classes of artists? But we definitely don't want Marxist Artists, Libertarian Artists etc because that becomes WP:undue and drifts into WP: advocacy and even WP:PROMO. Could you suggest some text? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:05, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@ChutneyPower: Would something like "Programmatic philosophies" work? But finding a reliable source to support it would not be easy...
Which reminds me, please don't let details of wikipedia's citation method put you off. The hardest part of contributing to Wikipedia is finding supporting evidence, anybody can make them look nice. So here are your two sources, feel free to copy/paste:[1] and [2] Enjoy. If you want to cite a book, it syntax gets a bit fancier but basically it is Harvard. Nothing fundamentally wrong with your plain and simple [3], you just need to wrap it in ref tags to show that it is being cited as evidence for what you have written. (The EMAR one is clear; it is difficult to identify a residency on the MF one – it may have changed since you looked at it, which is why it is important to give the access-date.) --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would something like this work?
Other artist in residency programs, not connected to institutions or organizations and not a specific shared physical residency site, envision multiple home sites as an art residency in which a group of mothers create art with their young children in their own homes. For example, when the COVID pandemic altered society’s way of living, Maternal Fantasies, a Germany-based group of women artists, started a feminist art collective with their children composing performance art in their kitchens and other home spaces as the artist in residency site, using Zoom as the exhibition site.
With the reference added at the end
Material Fantasies https://www.maternalfantasies.net/about ChutneyPower (talk) 15:43, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.maternalfantasies.net/#/hkwperformance2020/ Retrieved 14 June 2020. ChutneyPower (talk) 15:55, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Add book reference?
Chen, Lena (Ed.) (2021). Re-Assembling Motherhood(s): On Radical Care and Collective Art as Feminist Practices. Balto, Vilnius. ISBN 978-94-93148-57-4 ChutneyPower (talk) 16:02, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
These sound like very informal arrangements co-opting the name, perhaps with a pun intended, & I think it is WP:UNDUE to mention them here. Online amateur art groups are an interesting recent phenomenon, which deserves its own article (perhaps has one), but just muddy the water here I feel. Johnbod (talk) 16:13, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that the artists concerned are professional practitioners but to me JB's more telling point is that of co-option. I wonder if the original (English language) sense of "in residence" has been lost in translation here? The artists concerned are in their own residences, they have not be transported to an entirely new environment where they can exchange ideas and practice with their hosts. Does that make sense? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 16:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the classical definition to the article, using a quotation from Australia. In the course of searching,I found https://artquest.org.uk/how-to-articles/artist-residencies/ , which seems to have a more fluid model but without actually nailing itself down to a succinct statement. These ideas might provide inspiration for a new section that describes new and broader perspectives on the original concept, which in turn would provide a framework for material such as ChutneyPower proposed above. I don't feel competent to write such an over-arching section intro – any one else? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 17:22, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, "classical" outdated definitions assume artists are those without responsibility of young children. Contemporary feminist definitions of artist in residence contest such rigid definitions of artist and residency. Individuals and collectives, who are home-bound for a variety of reasons, revision their home into a “new environment,” for extensive uninterrupted time periods of a week to a month away from pressures of their everyday lives, “providing the time and space to develop work and creatively explore new ideas.” As the link provided in talk at https://artquest.org.uk/how-to-articles/artist-residencies/ states:
“Artists with caring responsibilities or a regular job can find it hard to take time away from their day-to-day lives. There are a lot of different types of residencies and they offer different kinds of experiences.”
Would you approve adding this below or some version?
A more contemporary definition of artist in residency recognizes that “Residencies are temporary periods of time for an artist to work on a project or develop new ideas. They are time out of your usual work to develop new art and ideas.” (cite: https://artquest.org.uk/how-to-articles/artist-residencies/). Individuals and collectives, who are home-bound for a variety of reasons, revision their home into a new environment, for extensive uninterrupted time periods from pressures of their everyday routines to individually or collaboratively create art. ChutneyPower (talk) 20:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A notable book source for this revision of art and residency is
Rozsika Parker (Author), Griselda Pollock (Author)
Old Mistresses: Women, Art and Ideology
Bloomsbury Publishing. Originally published 1991. Republished with a new preface by Pollock in 2020. https://www.bloomsbury.com/us/old-mistresses-9781350149175/ ChutneyPower (talk) 20:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well as I don't WP:OWN the article [almost a capital crime on Wikipedia], it is not for me to approve or disapprove. But I do think it moves us forward. So how about this as a draft for a new section:

Alternative models of the residency ideal
While the classical model of a Residency assumes that the artist will leave home and habitual work environment, other models recognize that this model is not realistic for many artists.[4] These alternative models aim to realize the benefits of a residency without physical relocation.[citation needed] Individuals and collectives, who are home-bound for a variety of reasons, revision their home into a new environment, for extensive uninterrupted time periods from pressures of their everyday routines to individually or collaboratively create art.[5][page needed] An example of such an arrangement is that operated by the Maternal Fantasies collective in Berlin, Germany.[6]

I'm sure the wording can be improved but the biggest problem I think is that it needs a lot more supporting evidence, aka citations. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:38, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

THANK YOU@John Maynard Friedman. I added with citations. I was not sure how to drop the text under the header without using the "bullet". ChutneyPower (talk) 15:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi ChutneyPower. I have restructured the article slightly as it looked a bit lopsided, with only one section and subheading. Feel free to carry on making changes; as John Maynard Friedman says, none of us owns the article! Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:37, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "EMAR Family Residency". Collar Works. 2020. Retrieved 24 March 2022.
  2. ^ "collective art production and writing". Maternal Fantasies. Retrieved 24 March 2022.
  3. ^ Maternal Fantasies
  4. ^ "Artist Residencies". Artquest. Retrieved 28 March 2022. Artists with caring responsibilities or a regular job can find it hard to take time away from their day-to-day lives.
  5. ^ Parker, Rozsika; Pollock, Griselda (2020) [1991]. Old Mistresses: Women, Art and Ideology. Bloomsbury. ISBN 9781350149175.
  6. ^ "collective art production and writing". Maternal Fantasies. Retrieved 24 March 2022.
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