Talk:Arthur M. Wellington

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Arthur M. Wellington Article Review

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It will be interesting to see what future improvements can be made on this article in the way of edits, and how much it can advance in the various scales of the projects it is a part of. Minmount (talk) 22:25, 4 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Article is still under construction, which I understand. However, I just wanted to make a note of the references that do not match what has already been written. Also under the Heading "Surveyor and Locating Engineer" the information does not quite match the title. It is more of a history.Kjt291 (talk) 15:18, 5 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This Article is about Arthur M Wellington, both an engineer and author of the Egnineerng Economics and the Principles of Engineering. - WIP Zachary Serhan (talk) 18:26, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article does well at describing the projects and early life of Arthur M Wellington, but fails to acknowledge his work for the engineering profession, especially his ideas for the engineering economy. Wellington is considered a father of the engineering economy with his emphasis on considering a wide range of alternatives to solving a single problem, even the option of doing nothing if there is no profitable return down the line. Jbizarro (talk) 11:15, 28 February 2018 (UTC)Jbizarro[reply]

Arthur M. Wellington is one of the most well known pioneers of the study of engineering economics, and was responsible for the growth of this discipline due to his early efforts at evaluating the economic tradeoff of major engineering projects, specifically, railroads. This article summarizes Wellington's Civil engineering career well, but asides for the lead section and bibliography and legacy sections of this article, there is an inadequate treatment of his contributions to the field of engineering economics. As a result, this article does not seem to meet the standards of a lead article. Even more surprising is that the Wikipedia article on "Engineering Economics" does not mention Wellington even once. Such an article should at a minimum, have a section devoted to Wellington's study of economically justifiable railroad engineering projects that he was involved with. Minmount (talk) 02:00, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article did a good job at staying neutral and not show bias. However, I believe the article needs to be revised in terms of content and grammar. For example, under "Surveyor and Locating Engineer" the death of Arthur Wellington is discuss, which belongs in a different section. In terms of grammar the article needs to be revised, specifically the third sentence under "Early Life and Works". Citations should also be checked, specifically number 4 under "Early Life and Works" since the reference doesn't apply to Wellington getting married. -Kjt291 (talk) 07:18, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Great input everyone! I also noticed that the article doesn't discuss the fact that two professional societies have named awards in his honor, but there is no mention of this in the article. Those societies and awards are the American Society of Civil Engineers' Arthur M. Wellington Prize for significant contributions to transportation engineering and the Institute of Industrial & Systems Engineers' Wellington Award for significant extended service to the field of engineering economy and for the increasing of visibility of the field. I believe that these awards should be included in the article. Bryankwiat (talk) 15:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article first introduces a quotation without using quotation marks >(The saying that An engineer can do for a dollar what any fool can do for two is attributed to him.) There are other sayings made by Wellington that can be referenced like; "When the difficulty of a problem lies only in finding out what follows from certain fixed premises, mathematical methods furnish invaluable wings for flying over intermediate obstructions." The article can also include that after Wellington's death Charles Whiting Baker replaced him as editor of Engineering News in 1895. The legacy section could also include statements regarding his appreciation for the outstanding importance of rail stiffness, and why the use of light rail was a false economy. He pointed out that one was not buying steel, but "stiffness, strength, and durability," and that when rail was priced on the basis of stiffness, the superiority of heavy rail was evident. Kjair715 (talk) 02:15, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article has mentioned a lot of information about the Arthur M. Wellington. It would be better if the author could talk more on his book called, "The Economic Theory of the Location of Railways" that he wrote in 1887 and also his contribution in the engineering economics. Actually, his contribution has inspired different people to further develop it. For example: John Charles Lounsbury Fish is a person who is deeply influenced after looking at one of " As an important person on the engineering economics, the author should talk or focus on how he is related to the engineering economics more deeply.HKK123 (talk) 03:26, 7 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Excellent work everyone ... Risk Engineer (talk) 22:15, 8 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The article did a good job describing his early life in engineering as a profession, and how became one of the early great engineers. The article lacks in providing information on his actual works on projects and his influence on engineering economy, considering he is one of the fathers of engineering economy. The article as a whole just seemed to not provide all the information/lack of information of material of such a prominent figure in civil engineering. The article could have given more depth of information.Mr.Brannon (talk) 04:40, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This article does well at depicting the undertakings and early existence of Arthur M Wellington, yet neglects to recognize his thoughts for the designing economy. Wellington is viewed as a father of the building economy with his accentuation on thinking about an extensive variety of other options to taking care of a solitary issue, even the alternative of doing nothing if there is no gainful return down the line. MarquisJohnHall (talk) 03:32, 29 April 2018 (UTC)MarquisJohnHall[reply]

Wellington Article (Team)

The question in discussion is did this article exemplify what it is to be a lead section in the article? The answer to that question is no. The article did not exactly fit that description of what a lead section is suppose to be. In a lead section article in the first paragraph, the article is summarized all in the first paragraph in the article. Then in the following paragraphs the article will be broken into the topics that were touched upon in the first paragraph. In the Wellington article, the first paragraph discusses some works he was apart of, and or material himself has written. Following paragraphs discussed his early life works as engineer/surveyor, and also other projects that he was apart of. The structure of this article does not fit the criteria of a lead section. The first paragraph did not summarize the article, and following paragraphs did not go into depth of the information that was written in the first paragraphs.Mr.Brannon (talk) 01:53, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wellington picture is wrong. Comment

The current picture of Arthur M Wellington in the article is that of the Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke Of Wellington. I found a public domain copy of the arthur wellington photo in the National cyclopaedia of American biography^[1] I will replace the current one with the 1895 one. Cheers Risk Engineer (talk) 17:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ The National cyclopaedia of American biography: Being the history of the United States as illustrated in the lives of the founders, builders, and defenders of the Republic. Volume 11 (1901). New York: J.T. White.

New Citation for Wellington's First Book

The Economic Theory of the Location of Railways

Initially written by Wellington in 1887, with the final 6th edition being published in 1910. There were discrepancies in the article about the specific dates surrounding publishing the book, this citation would clear up any misinformation.WumboWaffles (talk) 23:02, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Relevant to the Article

Railroad Gazette, Volume 39

This journal provides more information on Arthur Wellington that was not cited in the references and may be relevant to this article. Ian0217 (talk) 06:50, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This link above leads to a journal, Journal of the Association of Engineering Societies, Volumes 14-15, that provides information on a detailed aspect of some of Wellington's most famous works

https://books.google.com/books?id=QQnOAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA423&lpg=RA1-PA423&dq=arthur+m.+wellington+punishment&source=bl&ots=4hWyFvt0H2&sig=ACfU3U1dj_Fcq7JdkOlh-pPijfbyeunssw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi7t5S9-Z_gAhVrplkKHXhdA0oQ6AEwA3oECAYQAQ#v=onepage&q=arthur%20m.%20wellington%20punishment&f=false Omkhulu (talk) 16:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please add reference for the link https://www.asce.org/templates/award-detail.aspx?id=1605

The link associated with the "Arthur Wellington Prize" didn't exist. So, the new link has been updated. Would anyone mind adding reference in the article for the link "https://www.asce.org/templates/award-detail.aspx?id=1605".

Here is a proposed citation: “Arthur M. Wellington Prize.” American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), www.asce.org/templates/award-detail.aspx?id=1605.

Thank you, -Industryman (talk) 14:22, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We can add some articles about him Yasminekhiri (talk) 05:40, 5 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wellington Article review

The article was short in length, though covered the influences and impact that Wellington brought to the civil engineering profession. The article throughout deemed to be stayed neutral, but lacked certain important content the would be essential to understanding the contribution Wellington established mainly in railroad. The article did not elaborate on the book he written "The Economic Theory of the Location of Railways" in 1877. The book along with his name was introduced in the first sentence of the article, showing how significant the book is to Wellington's legacy. If the article would have gave further information about the book, the article's strength would have improved.

Mr.Brannon (talk) 22:59, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good comment! Risk Engineer (talk) 16:19, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] The National cyclopaedia of American biography: Being the history of the United States as illustrated in the lives of the founders, builders, and defenders of the Republic. Volume 11 (1901). New York: J.T. White.

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