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Discussion regarding the name of this person between Tryde and Proteus, moved from their respective talk pages:

Hello, nice to see that you're back. I have a couple of questions I think you could help me with. What names did the second and third Barons Sandys use (Moyses and Marcus, I believe although I don't have any sources). They also had a younger brother named Lord Arthur Augustus Edwin Hill (known as Augustus?). Can you also confirm that it was the third Baron who served as Comptroller of the Household and Treasurer of the Household in the 1840's and 1850's (as stated here). According to these Wikipedia articles, Whig Government 1835–1841, Whig Government 1846–1852 and Arthur Hill-Trevor, 1st Baron Trevor (as well as the two articles above), it was his nephew Lord Trevor who held these posts, but I think they are wrong (he wasn't an MP in 1841 for a start). Tryde (talk) 19:12, 14 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They seem to have been styled Lord Arthur Hill, Lord Marcus Hill and Lord Augustus Hill. We also seem to have Lord Trevor's name wrong - he was styled Lord Edwin Hill before being ennobled. And yes, it was the 3rd Baron (as Lord Marcus Hill, MP for Evesham) who was Comptroller and then Treasurer. Proteus (Talk) 11:53, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. But did the second Baron Sandys use the same first name as his elder brother, the Marquess of Downshire? Tryde (talk) 12:18, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that he may have done. The 3rd Marquess, of course, was never styled by his first name (being a courtesy peer from birth), so it may be that in the family the eldest was known by his courtesy peerage and the second by his first name. Proteus (Talk) 14:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I used all his first names in the article I created on him. If we don't have a source that explicitely say what name he used, I think it's best to include all of them. I'm also going to add this discussion to the article's talk page. Tryde (talk) 05:38, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 18 March 2015

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Dr Kiernan's evidence from reliable sources says it it not just a typo. (non-admin closure) — Amakuru (talk) 15:39, 25 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Moyses William Hill, 2nd Baron Sandys → Arthur Moyes William Hill, 2nd Baron Sandys – "Moyses" is a typo and should be "Moyes." See http://thepeerage.com/p5860.htm#i58594 and http://lordbyron.cath.lib.vt.edu/persRec.php?&selectPerson=LdSandy2 VaneWimsey (talk) 05:08, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Oppose. Unlike the self-published fansites above [one of which admits to being directly copied from the other], reliable sources say Moyses: NPG, HoP, BBC, Lords' Journal, Lodge's Peerage, etc. DrKiernan (talk) 16:41, 18 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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According to an unreliable sauce [1]

... the subject had something to do with the origin of Worcestershire sauce. See also [2]. E Eng 21:38, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]