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Hello there, please feel free to add extra information, especially regarding Jewish art in the Islamic world, regarding which I do not know nearly as much as I should. Feel free to correct and change of course, there is still much work to be done :). Homerethegreat (talk) 11:07, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was: rejected by reviewer, closed by Launchballer talk 18:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that following the emancipation, there was a rise in Jews engaging with the arts leading to a cultural resurgence in Jewish culture and art in the Europe? Source: https://yivoencyclopedia.org/article.aspx/painting_and_sculpture
- ALT1: ... that following the Russian revolution, Jews were emancipated and free to engage in the arts leading to a resurgence in Jewish art? Source: Rebecca Assoun, Jewish artists in Montparnasse Archived September 29, 2007, at the Wayback Machine. European Jewish Press, July 19, 2005. Accessed February 12, 2006.
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- Comment: Link to article can be in:" Jewish culture and art " and in ALT1 in "Jewish art"

Created by Homerethegreat (talk). Self-nominated at 10:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Art of the Jewish people; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

I'm sorry, I can't accept this. Large fractions of this article are copied and pasted from Jewish culture#Visual arts; they're redundant, since they're still in "Jewish culture", but most important for the DYK criteria, they're not new. DYK is supposed to be for new articles, we've had most of this one for many years just under a different name. Also they've got bits hanging out from the copy and paste, for example "Johnson again summarizes this ..." - when this is the only mention of "Johnson" in the article. The rest of that Johnson paragraph, four long and complex sentences, is a direct quote from Johnson, whoever he is, which is obvious in the Jewish culture article, but not at all clear in this one.

Less important:

the Marc Chagall paragraph has no reference, and no explanation why Chagall, alone of many, many Jewish artists, gets a paragraph all his own;
other paragraphs like the one about Bezalel have no fewer than 6 references, all stuck together at the end, not clear what part each reference is supposed to be backing. Most of those references are not available online, but based on the fact that [1], a rare online source, is given as a reference for the Bezalel paragraph but does not say anything about Bezalel, I suspect the others may not either.
The exact same Hecht Museum reference shows up in 4 different places.
A line from the article that seems to be new: "It is said that the art of these artists, especially those of Eastern European origin is said to have reflected " - you don't say?
Another quote: "The return of École de Paris artist Isaac Frenkel Frenel to Mandatory Palestine ... Its mystical and romantic setting attracted artists like Moshe Castel and Yitzhak Frenkel, " - guess what, Isaac Frenkel Frenel and Yitzhak Frenkel were the same person! At best this is redundant, at worst, the writer didn't understand this rather fundamental fact.

Those later issues might have been fixable or not have stopped this article from DYK, we don't require FA or GA standards for DYK; but the fundamental copy-and-paste-without-understanding issues are a big deal. I don't think that can be fixed without a complete rewrite. I suspect the author(s) of this article didn't really read the references that were being copied and pasted, or, in some places, the text that was being copied and pasted. That's not eligible for DYK; we shouldn't link that from the front page; in fact, unless someone is willing to take a complete rewrite on themselves, and vouch that the references used in this article actually say what this article implies they do, I would not fight to stop this article from being deleted altogether. --GRuban (talk) 16:35, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've redirected this as a shambolic copy-paste with no prejudice against an original article being brought back here. I would remind Homerethegreat not to use other Wikipedia articles as sources.--Laun chba ller 18:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]